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Robert Griffin in a landslide in my straw poll

Posted on: December 8, 2011 3:08 pm

Robert Griffin in a runaway.

That’s how much Baylor’s quarterback has captured the nation – or rather the ballots of Heisman voters. Griffin was the landslide winner in the Dodds and Ends straw poll canvassing of 23 Heisman voters.

Griffin was named on all 23 ballots, getting 19 first-place votes. Stanford’s Andrew Luck was second having been named on 13 ballots, getting two first-place votes. Alabama’s Trent Richardson was third.

Ballots were due to the Heisman Trust on Monday. This poll suggests that Griffin made huge gains after beating Texas on Saturday. Before that, it seemed that Luck and Richardson had dominated the voting.

If Griffin follows through and wins the Stiff Arm on Saturday, he would be the first player from a private parochial school to win the Heisman since BYU’s Ty Detmer in 1990. He would be the first player from a non-traditional football school to win it since Boston College’s Doug Flutie in 1984.

Since then, the Heisman has been shared by only 17 schools.


The totals:

1. Robert Griffin, QB, Baylor, 64 points (19 first-place votes)
2. Andrew Luck, QB, Stanford, 25 (2)
3. Trent Richardson, TB, Alabama, 17 (2)
4. Montee Ball, TB, Wisconsin, 14
5. Tyrann Mathieu, CB, LSU, 11
6. Matt Barkley, QB, USC, 6
7. (tie) Collin Klein, QB, Kansas State; LaMichael James, TB, Oregon, 1

Participating voters: Lee Barknecht, Omaha World-Herald; Tony Barnhart,, CBS Sports Network; Mike Bianchi, Orlando Sentinel; Dean Blevins, News 9, Oklahoma City, Okla.; Kirk Bohls, Austin American-Statesman; Rick Bozich, Louisville Courier-Journal; Chip Brown,; Chuck Carlton, Dallas Morning News; Angelique Chengelis, Detroit News; Bob Condotta; Seattle Times; Dennis Dodd,; Erik Gee, KNML, Albuquerque, N.M.; Ken Goe, Portland Oregonian; Teddy Greenstein, Chicago Tribune; Matt Hayes, Sporting News; Tommy Hicks, Mobile Register; Ron Higgins, Memphis Commercial Appeal; Todd Jones, Columbus Dispatch; Blair Kerkhoff, Kansas City Star; Stewart Mandel,; George Schroeder, Eugene Register-Guard; David Teel, Newport News Daily Press; Dick Weiss, New York Post.   


Since: Aug 29, 2006
Posted on: December 9, 2011 12:31 pm

Robert Griffin in a landslide in my straw poll

It is all a joke.
Luck doesn't have any WR's that have speed or separation ability. They also run the ball more than any of the other QB's mentioned.
Luck would have 50+ TD's with talented receivers like Baylor, USC, Oklahoma St, and Oklahoma have.
Plus he is on the 4th ranked team in the nation. Stanford would not be ranked if they did not have Luck.
Everyone will see at the next level when he will have talent around him...
Luck for the Heisman, hand down....

Since: Dec 9, 2011
Posted on: December 9, 2011 11:51 am

Robert Griffin in a landslide in my straw poll

Robert Griffin moved to a higher level this season, and then went into another zone a the end of the Kansas game.  The detractors from tech forget that Griffin played well, especially the last two years. Baylor's weak defense in 2010 is the only reason Tech won that game.  I watched Oklahoma and Texas warm up before those two games and thought those must be a collection of the best athletes in America.  But for the first time in my life I knew that Baylor had one player far better than anyone on their team, and that he could handle them.  Tech did not have a chance the second half against Baylor this year, especially the way Griffin was playing at that point in the season.  He would have gone into overdrive the second half. just like he did againts Oklahoma and Texas. We did not need him to defeat Tech this year.

Robert Griffin is the best football player in the country this year, and the best in Texas since Vince Young.  I think he is better than Vince.

Since: Jan 19, 2008
Posted on: December 9, 2011 10:51 am

Robert Griffin in a landslide in my straw poll

Chiledipper, I agree with your assessment of Griffin. However, you maybe--just maybe--overstated the case when you said your Red Raiders "shut him down completely 3 of 4 games." Griffin only started three games against the Raiders, since he blew out a knee early in the 2009 season. How did he do those games?
  • As a freshman starter in 2008, he showed flashes but was overmatched by a very strong Tech team. Still, he threw for one touchdown, ran for two others, and rushed for 118 yards.
  • Last year, Griffin completed 31 of 42 passes for 384 yards against Tech, throwing for two touchdowns and rushing for two others.
  • This year, Griffin only played the first half against the Raiders, as he was sidelined by a concussion late in the second quarter after taking a blow to the head. But during that half, he rushed for two scores, threw for another and amassed 168 total yards.
So in three years and 2.5 games against Texas Tech, Griffin accounted for ten touchdowns. That's not bad work!

Since: May 22, 2008
Posted on: December 9, 2011 10:33 am

Robert Griffin in a landslide in my straw poll

didnt have to  he didnt throw as many picks

Since: Nov 9, 2008
Posted on: December 9, 2011 10:28 am

Robert Griffin in a landslide in my straw poll

From a Texas Tech Alum and fan: we played this kid 4 times and shut him completely down 3 of those 4 games. Yet I begrudgingly have to give the kid his due this year as he had at least two games I saw him play in where he was solely the difference. Is he better than Andrew Luck? Nope. Better than Montee Ball? Can't make that argument as it's an apples to tomatoes comparison. Trent Richardson... same answer. Matt Barkley? Saw him play and I have a hard time getting past his last 3 phenomenal performances that's for damn sure. But again Barkely clearly played with superior talent around him and there's no getting around the fact that playing with and being surrounded by superior talent makes a difference.

I never want to give Baylor anthying that provides them with a boost but in this particular case... I give it to RGIII/

Since: Sep 21, 2006
Posted on: December 9, 2011 10:10 am

Robert Griffin in a landslide in my straw poll

I agree that Ball probably should get it, I mean come on, he has more TDs than alot of programs.  What I dont get is how Luck is still #2.  I think he is a great QB, but his numbers just don't seem to be Heisman worthy.  Huge talent and a very good year, but not putting up the video game numbers most Heisman QBs do.

Since: Jan 19, 2008
Posted on: December 9, 2011 9:33 am

Robert Griffin in a landslide in my straw poll

OK, I agree: you can make a strong case for Montee Ball. Living in Big 10 country and seeing him on TV quite a bit, I realize how good he is--very good. And you do have a point that in the Spread Offense generation, the Heisman playing field is tilted strongly in favor of QBs. Still...Ball has accounted for 39 touchdowns (32 rushing, 6 receiving, and 1 passing). That's great. But Griffin accounted for 45 touchdowns (36 passing, 9 rushing). So I don't think it's fair to say that all you'd have to do is switch Ball's position from RB to QB and he'd win based on his stats. In the end, you are stuck comparing apples to oranges when you stack up QB stats against RB stats. All I can say is, Ball and Griffin were both great. The biggest argument in favor of Griffin is that he has been an absolute program-changer at Baylor. (As has Luck at Stanford, by the way.) Griffin rescued Baylor from permanent residency in the Bottom 10. Wisconsin has a great program with an outstanding coach; they were competing for Big 10 championships before Ball enrolled, and they'll still be competing after he graduates. So when I stack Ball's season up against Griffin's, I have to give the nod to RG3.

Since: Jan 8, 2010
Posted on: December 9, 2011 9:32 am

Robert Griffin in a landslide in my straw poll

Always keep in mind, the Heisman is an opinion. Several of the votes come from former winners...think those guys may look at the candidates and see which one best resembles themselves?? The only thing that makes those guys eligible to vote is "The Won the Award". That's like assuming a great player would make a great coach. Just because these guys were talented, doesn't make them experts on assessing talent.

Since: Jun 20, 2008
Posted on: December 9, 2011 8:53 am

Robert Griffin in a landslide in my straw poll

If you changed Montee Ball's position from RB to QB on the ballot, he would win. Look at how many TD's he has!

Since: Apr 22, 2009
Posted on: December 9, 2011 8:44 am

Robert Griffin in a landslide in my straw poll

Ball should win.  The best year of all those mentioned.  I hate wisCONsin.

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