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What MWC has to do to become BCS league

Posted on: December 12, 2011 7:43 pm
Edited on: December 13, 2011 12:12 am

The near-term BCS fortunes of the once-again fractured Mountain West is now in the hands of the BCS Presidential Oversight Committee.

The league’s board of directors on Monday approved the filing for an exemption for BCS status in 2012 and 2013. The move was expected and if approved, would result in the Mountain West gaining automatic BCS qualification status on a temporary basis in those two years.

The rule creating the possibility a seventh automatic qualifier was adopted in 2004, the year access was expanded to non-automatic qualifying conferences. Because it has achieved only a portion of the benchmarks for automatic qualification, the MWC is asking for an exemption.

Over the course of a four-year evaluation period that ended this season (2008-2011), the league finished in the top five of the 11 FBS leagues in average BCS ranking of its highest ranked team. The MWC finished in the top seven in average conference rank. It finished in the top 33 percent of average number of teams ranked in the final BCS standings.

For automatic qualification the MWC would have had to finish in the top six in the first two categories and top 50 percent in the third.

The exemption would have to be approved by nine of the 12 members of the oversight committee. That committee is made up of CEOs from the 11 current FBS conferences and Notre Dame. BCS executive director Bill Hancock would not speculate on which way the vote would go. He did add that the vote should come in the near future.

The league will rely heavily on the accomplishments of two schools leaving the league. Boise State is headed for the Big East in 2013 while TCU is going to the Big 12 next season. The league will be evaluated on based on the conference’s membership today. That means the MWC would get full credit for Boise’s accomplishments from 2008-2010 in the WAC. That includes a Fiesta Bowl win in 2010 as well as a 49-3 record the last four seasons.

TCU has competed in the MWC for the last four years going to two BCS bowls.

A seventh automatic qualifier for those two seasons would most likely mean the loss of an at-large berth that goes to one of the power conferences. For the fourth time in the last six years, there were eight automatic qualifiers for the 10 available spots. This season: The SEC finishing 1-2 in the BCS means both LSU and Alabama were automatic. Stanford was automatic because it didn’t win its conference but finished in the top four. The at-large teams were Michigan (Sugar) and Virginia Tech (Sugar).

There was an automatic qualifier from the non-AQ conferences each year from 2007-2010. Three of those were from the MWC – Utah in 2008 and TCU and 2009-2010.

There is additional hope for the MWC this time because of a waiver given to the Big East for automatic-qualifying status prior to the 2008 season. That waiver was approved by an 8-0 vote of the six power conferences (SEC, ACC, Big East, Big 12, Pac-10, Big Ten) and Notre Dame as well as one combined vote given to the five non-AQ leagues (MAC, WAC, Sun Belt, Conference USA, MWC). This time around all 11 FBS leagues plus Notre Dame have a vote for a total of 12.

Mountain West membership for 2012:

Air Force

Boise State

Colorado State

New Mexico

San Diego State



Fresno State




Since: Jun 5, 2011
Posted on: December 15, 2011 9:23 am

The MWC is a joke

At this point, the MWC embodies the old joke about the mouse floating down the river on his back, asking for the drawbridge to be raised.  None of the teams that are left could win as many as three games in the SEC, or four in any other BCS conference not named the "Big East."  
The main defense used for those in favor of the bowl system is that it "rewards the student-athletes" for a good season.  What kind of "reward" would it be for an outmanned MWC team to play a really good team in a bowl and get blown out in a boring game?  How many TV sets woud be turned off by the second half?  How many fans would bother to watch the game?   
"What the MWC needs to do" is simple: shut up and play in their own sandbox. 

Since: Sep 12, 2007
Posted on: December 13, 2011 11:57 pm

What MWC has to do to become BCS league

One of the biggest problems with the MWC is their strength of schedule.  Boise State and TCU are going to conferences where they will have tougher schedules, and that will help their causes.  The rest of the MWC plays a lot of easy games.  That was one of the things that hurt BSU the last couple of seasons.  Had their schedule been tougher, the 1 loss they had wouldn't have hurt them as much as it did in getting to a BCS bowl.  It's not like they were blown out in those games either.  The reason it hurt them was the weak schedule and the strength of the opponent they lost to.  Being in the Big East will help them out a good bit.  I still don't like the BCS in it;s current form.  I really think that teams would actually play harder if the games were set up to have #1 vs #2 in the BCSCG, #3vs #4 in the Sugar Bowl, #5 vs #6 in the Rose Bowl, #7 vs #8 in the Fiesta Bowl and #9 vs #10 in the Orange bowl.  That is just an example, but you get what I mean.  That, of course, would force alot of schools to beef up their schedules to help their ranking.  You would also have to eliminate the AQ status of all conferences and make the rating system more equitable.  The other alternative is a 20-team playoff to decide who goes where.  I don't know what the answer is, but the BCS has to change and quit making all about the money and more about the game of football.

Since: May 1, 2011
Posted on: December 13, 2011 2:35 pm

What MWC has to do to become BCS league

First off the teams leaving wil stil do so. The moves are more about tv revenue than AQ status that might be gone in 2014

Since: Sep 22, 2011
Posted on: December 13, 2011 1:56 pm

What MWC has to do to become BCS league


There is a major problem with your argument and the thing that no one seems to get.  The MWC's crappy media deal has driven the departures more than anything else (primary reason why BYU left and certainly was a large part of why Utah and TCU left) and SDSU and BSU both have stated that this is their primary reason for leaving.  Even if by some miracle they end up getting one, it still doesn't change that the media exposure IS THE ABSOLUTE WORST.  It requires people to spend a fortune on the most premium sports media packages just to be able to watch all 12 games of their given team.  To drive home just how bad it is, the BSU vs Air Force game was a home game for BSU and had a stadium that was literally overflowing with fans.  It used to be in the WAC that local TV would cover the home games, thus anyone with a set of rabbit ears could see the game.  This year, not a peep about the game on anything outside of versus and on the major sports news sites, the coverage was virtually non-existant.  So in otherwords if you lived in the Boise area and wanted in-depth coverage of the game, you had to pay $60 a month to get a package that had versus.  On the other hand at the same time this was going on, a local TV channel was broadcasting the Fresno State vs. Nevada game in from Reno, NV.  So anyone with a TV and set of rabbit ears got to see that for free.  So by nature Fresno State and Nevada got more media exposure in the Boise area than Boise State and Air Force did.  Craig Thompson made a little (and I stress little) effort to try and move on from their current media deal but Comcast wasn't willing to budge.  Further to emphasize that recruit Nick Patti who has committed to BSU (Elite 11 finalist from Florida) kept calling BSU asking for assurances that his parents in Florida could see him on TV.  What kind of assurances do you think they could've given him in the MWC?  Boise State earns at MAX a whopping $1.9 mil from their media deal.  Even though the Big East may be considered the whipping boy of the BCS, they can certainly generate more revenue for BSU and SDSU than that.  As for Conference USA, with those 3 schools leaving, what do you have.  You have Southern Miss, Tulsa and on a good year ECU (and ECU might end up being selected for the Big East in upcoming expansion) and beyond that a bunch of teams that are lucky to break even on a regular basis or end up among the list of the worst of the worst in FBS football.  As it sits right now, the MWC has four teams that have overall records of under .500, and C-USA has five with overall records of less than .500, the proposed Big East has just 2 that barely miss the mark.  So I don't know where people seem to think that these teams that are better than the 2013 Big East are magically appearing from in C-USA or MWC.  Nevada will probably rise up again and Southern Miss and Tulsa have real potential as well but once again you have a VERY top heavy conference and you have lost all media markets that could potentially generate large viewing audiences. 

Since: Sep 20, 2006
Posted on: December 13, 2011 12:14 pm

What MWC has to do to become BCS league

I think they should have the ACC and Big East keep their bids, give the MWC an auto bid and take away an at-large bid.

Since: Dec 13, 2011
Posted on: December 13, 2011 11:31 am

What MWC has to do to become BCS league

The MWC has been a very top-heavy league.  Yes, Utah, TCU, and Boise State were elite, top-10 or even top-5 programs.  But past that, Air Force and SDSU have been decent, and the rest of the conference is an utter disaster.  No AQ conference has a New Mexico, a UNLV, or a Colorado State.  And yes, Duke, Indiana, and Minnesota are better than these 3 by a country mile.

Take this year for example.  The MWC and BE each have 8 teams, so we can compare as such:

MWC #1 vs. BE #1: Boise State vs. West Virginia -> Boise wins
MWC #2 vs. BE #2: TCU vs. Cincinnati -> TCU wins easily
MWC #3 vs. BE #3: SDSU vs. Louisville -> Toss-up, probably SDSU
MWC #4 vs. BE #4: Air Force vs. Rutgers -> Toss-up, probably Rutgers
MWC #5 vs. BE #5: Wyoming vs. Pittsburgh -> Pitt wins easily
MWC #6 vs. BE #6: Colorado State vs. USF -> USF wins easily
MWC #7 vs. BE #7: UNLV vs. Syracuse -> Syracuse wins easily
MWC #8 vs. BE #8: New Mexico vs. Connecticut -> Connecticut wins easily

So, you could make the argument that Boise and TCU would run the table (and they would).  But in the middle, it's more of a toss-up, and at the bottom, it's no contest.  It's the 3 or 4 disaster programs in the scrap heap that keep the MWC from getting an AQ status.

In 2013, the MWC is going to look like this: Nevada, Fresno State (sans Pat Hill), Hawaii, Air Force, New Mexico, Wyoming, Colorado State, and UNLV.  This is certainly inferior to any Big East slate in recent years, and not even close to being worthy of an AQ (though the BE in 2004 or 2010) wasn't either.

Besides, the ACC hasn't been that great either.  In 13 BCS games, they've lost 11.  The Big East has won 6 of 13, granted 3 of them are the U.  But even taking them out, they've won 3 of 10, not very good either, but still better than the ACC.

Either way, I am in support of either the 8 teams with no AQ playoff or 16 with 11 conference championships as you indicated.

Since: Sep 20, 2011
Posted on: December 13, 2011 11:14 am

What MWC has to do to become BCS league

No different than the Big East getting AQ status off the merits of teams leaving it.  They should vote to give MWC the AQ then Boise State doesn't have to leave and by adding CUSA schools you have a conference that will be better than the new Big East. CUSA is keeping it's 3 best schools in this whole ordeal and just losing 3 schools who will be irrelevant in the coming years of Big East play due to graduation losses, new coaching staffs and in the case of UCF, getting hammered by NCAA penalties that could take away bowl eligibility for years. 

Since: Sep 5, 2006
Posted on: December 13, 2011 11:00 am

What MWC has to do to become BCS league

The BCS committee should have established the guideline years ago that the final automatic BCS berth go to either the Big East or Mountain West conference champion based on which team had the higher BCS ranking at the end of the season.

The Mountain West has been better than the Big East for years, but has never had the political pull needed to get the respect they have earned on the field.

Since: Oct 12, 2011
Posted on: December 13, 2011 10:57 am

What MWC has to do to become BCS league

To me the answer to all this is so simple.  Everyone likes the bowl games and going to a bowl game.  They want the bowls to remain relevant and meaningful.  Everyone (or nearly everyone) wants a playoff of some type, so why not combine them?  The way I see it, here is what should be done...

All bowls go back to their orignial tie-ins, prime example, The Rose Bowl goes back to being PAC-whatever vs B1G.  Before the latest raiding by the ACC I would have said the Orange bowl should be ACC vs Big East, but now I'm not so sure, but I digress, Fiesta goes to the Big 12 champ, Sugar to the SEC, etc, etc.  In addition to the 4 traditional major bowls there needs to be 4 additional bowls tied into this, I don't care which ones, Gator, Cotton, Capital One, Outback, Champs sports, whatever.  I'd have 8 Bowls, the winner of each is in the playoffs.  Once the 8 teams are set, seed them according to ranking in the Polls, set up the brackets, and BOOM!!!!  The last team standing is the National Champ, no ifs, ands, or buts.

Since: Jul 27, 2011
Posted on: December 13, 2011 9:11 am

What MWC has to do to become BCS league

Hey setmetheball.

I concur!

This is oh so simple to resolve (for those of us with no conflicts of interest) and if the BCS will not do it, maybe it is time for a fans poll of who is natonal champion. The "experts" are clearly not totally reliable, so how about a fan committee (can vote for alma mater because let;s face it, this will be cancelled out by votes against rivals).


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