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It's Urban's world, Big Ten -- deal with it

Posted on: February 3, 2012 2:27 pm
Edited on: February 3, 2012 9:20 pm

The irony is that Urban Meyer and Lane Kiffin have almost become buds.

“As bizarre as this is because our relationship has been so public, I actually get along with him, probably, now,” Meyer told me this week. “We actually have conversations now. He’s fine. We’re fine. He apologized. I said, ‘I acted like a child too.’ ”

It was three years ago, that Kiffin started a year-long tweaking of the SEC establishment by accusing Meyer, then at Florida, of breaking NCAA rules.

“I love the fact that Urban had to cheat and still didn’t get him,” Kiffin said of the now infamous and inaccurate accusation regarding receiver Nu’Keese Richardson.

Left in Kiffin’s wake were a half-dozen secondary violations remaining from his zeal to remake the Vols. As we know, his one-act play at Tennessee is long over. Kiffin has rehabbed both USC and his image the last two seasons.

“He reached out,” Ohio State's new coach said of Kiffin. “I reached back. Me and his dad [Monte] have been friends for a long time. I was as [much to blame] as anybody. I was very childish and egotistical. Then he reached out and said, ‘You know what? We didn’t start out on the right foot.’ “

This all comes in the context of a lot of childishness, Big Ten style. In the past 48 hours, Meyer has morphed from rock star free-agent savior come down from the heavens to rescue Ohio State football, to a recruiting bottom feeder. In the unholy marriage of Twitter, internet and incessant electronic talkfests, there were strong words thrown around to describe Meyer’s recruiting methods.

“Illegal,” said Wisconsin’s Bret Bielema.

“Unethical,” said Michigan State’s Mark Dantonio.

Really quickly, Meyer has become the Lane Kiffin of the Big Ten. Meyer’s boss, Gene Smith, felt compelled to issue a statement Friday. Without actually saying it, the coaches seemed to intimate that Meyer was “flipping” recruits, getting them to come to Ohio State after they’d committed to other schools. The description used Wednesday on National Signing Day was that Meyer had signed eight players who had previously committed to other schools.

So what? Flipped, turned. Whatever. The man had a few short days to fix Ohio State in recruiting, with a bowl ban thrown in to work around. The problem is as the story develops, it lacks nuance, subtly and context. You have to read the full quotes from Bielema and Dantonio (below).

I was in Meyer’s office Thursday and told him about Bielema’s Wednesday statements.

“He [Bielema] called and said that [pausing] It really wasn’t our staff, it was the previous [staff],” Meyer said, “something about where a pro player called a kid or something like that. A former Buckeye called a kid. That’s all I remember. I checked into it, there’s no truth to anything.”

Unethical? Name me a coach who hasn’t signed a recruit who had been favoring another school. It’s how the industry works. It’s cutthroat. It’s brutal.

“I tell our guys,” Meyer said, “you really have no value to a program if you can’t recruit.”

All this reminds me of the great Ricky Bobby who once said, “If you’re not first, you’re last.”

Good call. There are no second places in a recruiting. You either get the guy or you don’t. As long as no NCAA or civil laws are broken, it’s every recruiter for himself. By some estimates, Meyer landed four kids who had committed to Penn State. It would have been a recruiting sin, if he didn’t pick over the remains of Penn State football. In fact, who didn't go after Penn State recruits? Maybe the best question for Meyer is, “Four? Why didn’t you get six?”

Speaking at high school coaches’ clinic Friday morning, Meyer had enough. He was quoted as saying (rhetorically): “You’re pissed because we went after a committed guy? Guess what, we got nine guys [recruiters] who better go do it again. Do it a little harder next time.”

How does that taste, Big Ten? Bielema told the Sporting News that Wisconsin AD Barry Alvarez would speak to Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany Friday about Meyer’s recruiting methods. There’s one problem with that. Let’s say that Meyer pissed off a bunch of Big Ten coaches by taking their commits. Again, so what? “Commit” should be stricken from recruiting glossary along with “slight lean” and “strong verbal.” They are contrived terms meant to shame a player into what has become some sort of promise/marriage/sacred bond.

But let’s say that somehow Delany pushes through an official Big Ten stance that no coach can intrude on a “committed” recruit. The one big problem: Even if all 12 Big Ten schools agree, there are 108 other FBS programs who won’t.

In fact, recruiters will be laughing all the way to their private planes during recruiting season. How do you think SEC coaches are going to react if the Big Ten coaches all agree to this little “gentlemen’s agreement?”

Probably by winning a seven consecutive national championship, for starters.  

“Gentlemen’s agreement?,” one incredulous former major-college assistant told me Friday. “[Recruiting] is a Clint Eastwood movie. ‘Hang ‘Em High, ‘The Good, The Bad, The Ugly.’ Are you kidding me? Gentleman’s agreement?”

Context was an issue here. I had a Michigan State official call me to explain Dantonio’s quotes. Read the entire Bielema statement from signing day. Kind of takes some of the starch out of a flaming controversy that continues to have kindling thrown on it. Michigan State defensive coordinator "starts a recruiting rivalry."

You would hope. In fact, there should be a recruiting rivalry should exist with every Big Ten team. The Spartans haven't been to a Rose Bowl in almost 25 years.

Anyway, here's the full quotes ... 

Mark Dantonio
speaking in general on Wednesday:

"I would say it's pretty unethical. You ask people for a commitment, you ask for people's trust, ask for people to make a commitment to you, but then you turn around and say it's OK to go back after somebody else's commitment. That's a double standard.

"Everybody's got a job to do, there's a lot of pressure, but we're all grown men and we're trying to do a job, just like society today in every respect, whether it's a reporter or doctor or lawyer or somebody else. People are gonna try and do their job, they're gonna do what they have to do to get it done sometimes."

Specifically on Urban Meyer:

“They've got a new coach, there's differences when a new coach comes in. It's a new testing of the waters, but it's a two-way street, it's always a two-way street. There's always gotta be the other person listening, too. I think when it becomes a matter of twisting somebody, when you're a 50-year-old man or 40-year-old man twisting a 17-year-old, that's when it's wrong.

"I'm not saying that's happening in the Big Ten Conference, but I see that happening around the country. That happens when somebody decommits on the day of signing day and you've got to wonder about that."
Dantonio then released this statement on Friday: "Let me be clear: Some general recruiting statements I made were completely taken out of context when combined together by a reporter not in attendance. The timing of my comments was a reflection of an occurring matter on Signing Day and nothing to do with Urban Meyer at Ohio State. My comments regarding 'unethical' behavior were general in nature, according to my current coaching philosophy, and not directed toward any particular institution." 

Question to Bret Bielema on Wednesday: Is Urban Meyer’s hiring changed recruiting in the Upper Midwest and in the Big Ten?

Bielema:  "Well, I don’t think it, I hope it doesn’t change. I think the potential to change has been there. And, there’s a few things that happened early on that I made people be aware of that I didn’t want to see in this league that I had seen take place at other leagues, other recruiting tactics, other recruiting practices that are illegal. And I was very up front and was very pointed to the fact. I actually reached out to Coach Meyer and shared my thoughts and concerns with him, and the situation got rectified.

“But the one thing I love about this league, it was kind of funny, when I was a younger coach, I was offered a job in another league, right? And this coach, I was working for $175,000 for Coach Alvarez, and he asked me what I was making, and I said I was making $175,000. He goes, ‘how many year contract?’ I said, ‘zero, just a one-year contract.’ He goes, ‘I’ll offer you $350,000 in a four-year contract.’ And I’m like, ‘ah, I don’t think so. You know, it’s not, money is not important to me at this point. I kind of want to stay where I’m at in the Big Ten. It’s got great values. I’m at a great place, a great institution.’

He goes, ‘okay, I’ll make it $450,000, and I’ll give you a five-year guarantee.’ I said, ‘okay, now I’ve got to talk to you.’ But it did make a point of interest to me. I didn’t tell you that I was just joking. But it was a real offer that was out there. And he said to me, ‘you know what the difference between the Big Ten and this conference is?’

And I said, ‘no.’ He said, ‘in the Big Ten, everybody tells on everybody. In our conference, nobody tells on anybody.’ And that made a huge comment to me. And I’ve been very cognizant of that, encourage our coaches to play by the books, to do things in a certain way. If you have to lie, cheat, or steal to get someone here, it doesn’t make a great point once you get them here about how you’ve got to handle them.

“So I think that’s the point that I’ll take moving forward. Our league is based on certain values that we’re going to hold to be true. And, you know, if you don’t hold to those things to be true in our conference, well, you’ll be held accountable.”

There’s a couple of ways of fixing this “situation.” It sounds like Delany is going to have to have a come-to-Jesus meeting with his coaches to stop the backbiting. It happened with the SEC’s Mike Slive a couple of years ago when Kiffin was in full throat.

The other is to establish an early signing day, say the first week of December. High school players can be left alone to concentrate on state playoffs and their studies. Families don’t have to waste money on last-minute unofficial visits. Best of all, it relieves the pressure Signing Day, a date that has evolved into becoming an end to the process. 

It’s actually the beginning of a two-month signing period, but they don’t want you to know that. That’s an issue for another day. For now, it’s Urban’s world and the Big Ten is only living in it. 


Since: Nov 3, 2008
Posted on: February 3, 2012 8:01 pm

It's Urban's world, Big Ten -- deal with it

I don't understand how a school that was was/is on probation from the NCAA is given a special exemption so that Urban Meyer can recruit without having to coach the team in their bowl game.

Since: Feb 3, 2012
Posted on: February 3, 2012 7:54 pm

It's Urban's world, Big Ten -- deal with it

The problem is a "high profile" coach calls an 18 year old kid to talk him out of a commitment that he has made.  What kind of example is this setting?  What were the kids "promised" to back out of their commitment?  As a so-called "leader" of young men, this is pathetic.  We're all impressed Urban!!!!

Since: May 9, 2009
Posted on: February 3, 2012 7:53 pm

It's Urban's world, Big Ten -- deal with it

Lakewood...enough with the unfair crucifixion of Jim Tressel. It is laughable how you minimize what Jim Tressel did and reduce his crime to kids buying tattoos. Seriously? The tattoos were secondary; it was the lying that did him in. Good grief after all this time you are still in denial. Jim Tressel was a classy coach; I am not a Bucs fan but I liked him until the scandal broke at Ohio State. How he could knowingly play those players and feign ignorance of what they did is beyond me. So spare us how poor Jim Tressel was treated prosecuted. That's what you get for lying. People forgive mistakes and move on; they dont condone lying. As for Urban Meyer; he is a good recruiter and probably still has some coaching expertise in the tank but I dont trust him. Most Gator fans believe he has a medical situation but that he played his medical card when Florida lost to Alabama in the SEC Championship game. He has acid reflux; not cancer. He quits, comes back and quits again. He had a no. 1 recruiting class in 2010? He recruited Brantley who was clearly not the guy for his system. You recruit a guy to play your offense not recruit a guy and coach him to play your offense? Makes no sense. Florida has some stud players but he pretty much left the cupboard bare for Charlie Weis and Will Muschamp. Still they beat Ohio State in spite of that. Urban Meyer also has a family contract in place just in case he doesnt cut it at Ohio State. Make no mistake he will use it if he has to. As for recruiting other team's players I think every school does it but I dont believe for a second that he called a recruit, asked him if he was interested in Ohio State, he said either yes or no and if no he hung up. Please.

Since: Apr 19, 2008
Posted on: February 3, 2012 7:49 pm
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Since: Mar 15, 2011
Posted on: February 3, 2012 7:47 pm

It's Urban's world, Big Ten -- deal with it

The ultimate lying,scumbag.

Since: May 1, 2010
Posted on: February 3, 2012 7:41 pm

It's Urban's world, Big Ten -- deal with it

t's Urban's world, Big Ten -- deal with it

"It was "open season" this year hoosier idiot.  They went through hell, lost Pryor, Tress, suspensions, gave back wins, 1st year coach, etc...and just hired their new coach 2 months ago... what happened?  Your Hoosiers didn't flip any recruits from us?  Dick.  You people that are bashing are jealous.  Sorry our program didn't go into the sh*tter like you all wanted.  Get ready for a smackdown every year.  Oh, and the recruiting class for 2013 is going to blow your minds.  Suck it, haters.  Go Bucks!!!  Thank you Coach Meyer!!"

By the way I'm not a Buckeye hater or a Hoosier fan.  I'm a die hard "Bama fan. I was raised in Indiana but played for UA. I just think you have confirmed my belief that there are idiot fans in all the conferences. Nothing against Meyers techniques at all. He'll just build up another useless program that the SEC can beat up. Glad to see Urban go north. 

Since: Jan 22, 2012
Posted on: February 3, 2012 7:39 pm
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Since: Dec 7, 2011
Posted on: February 3, 2012 7:28 pm

It's Urban's world, Big Ten -- deal with it

i can see why these guys are upset. i would neverhave dreamed that he big ten had a gentlemen's agreement to not take each other's player. excuse me. they are not your player till they sign with you. they are not ypur player till they get in a game and are good enough to play.

Since: Jun 10, 2011
Posted on: February 3, 2012 7:25 pm

It's Urban's world, Big Ten -- deal with it

(in Jim Mora voice) "Illegal? Don’t talk about — illegal? You kidding me? Illegal?"

Furthermore - the Mega-Fraud in this whole fiasco is that one of the players that Bret Bielema was so ticked about -  Kyle Dodson - was originally swayed to Wisconsin  - back in the summer of 2011 when Tressel was going down .   But Dodson continued to talk to outet schools -  In fact, Dodson deliberated for weeks whether to choose Ohio State, Michigan State or USC, or the school he made a non-binding oral commitment to last summer, Wisconsin. Having already visited Wisconsin, he took official visits to Columbus, Los Angeles and East Lansing in December and January. Head coaches and staff from all four schools made final pitches in person last week to Dodson,  In the end, it came down to Ohio State and USC, and it made perfect sense Dodson wanted to play closer to his family. Bret Bielema knew all of this - every step of the way (he was there) - to whine "Illegal" at this point  is just childish.

And Mark Dantonio was doing exactly what he is whining about too!  He went to Dodson's house last week too!

Since: May 1, 2010
Posted on: February 3, 2012 7:24 pm

It's Urban's world, Big Ten -- deal with it

Wow, I guess some Buckeyes are as bad and as foul mouthed as I have heard. Must have got that from ole' Woody. Someday when you have some time try getting an education.

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