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It's Urban's world, Big Ten -- deal with it

Posted on: February 3, 2012 2:27 pm
Edited on: February 3, 2012 9:20 pm

The irony is that Urban Meyer and Lane Kiffin have almost become buds.

“As bizarre as this is because our relationship has been so public, I actually get along with him, probably, now,” Meyer told me this week. “We actually have conversations now. He’s fine. We’re fine. He apologized. I said, ‘I acted like a child too.’ ”

It was three years ago, that Kiffin started a year-long tweaking of the SEC establishment by accusing Meyer, then at Florida, of breaking NCAA rules.

“I love the fact that Urban had to cheat and still didn’t get him,” Kiffin said of the now infamous and inaccurate accusation regarding receiver Nu’Keese Richardson.

Left in Kiffin’s wake were a half-dozen secondary violations remaining from his zeal to remake the Vols. As we know, his one-act play at Tennessee is long over. Kiffin has rehabbed both USC and his image the last two seasons.

“He reached out,” Ohio State's new coach said of Kiffin. “I reached back. Me and his dad [Monte] have been friends for a long time. I was as [much to blame] as anybody. I was very childish and egotistical. Then he reached out and said, ‘You know what? We didn’t start out on the right foot.’ “

This all comes in the context of a lot of childishness, Big Ten style. In the past 48 hours, Meyer has morphed from rock star free-agent savior come down from the heavens to rescue Ohio State football, to a recruiting bottom feeder. In the unholy marriage of Twitter, internet and incessant electronic talkfests, there were strong words thrown around to describe Meyer’s recruiting methods.

“Illegal,” said Wisconsin’s Bret Bielema.

“Unethical,” said Michigan State’s Mark Dantonio.

Really quickly, Meyer has become the Lane Kiffin of the Big Ten. Meyer’s boss, Gene Smith, felt compelled to issue a statement Friday. Without actually saying it, the coaches seemed to intimate that Meyer was “flipping” recruits, getting them to come to Ohio State after they’d committed to other schools. The description used Wednesday on National Signing Day was that Meyer had signed eight players who had previously committed to other schools.

So what? Flipped, turned. Whatever. The man had a few short days to fix Ohio State in recruiting, with a bowl ban thrown in to work around. The problem is as the story develops, it lacks nuance, subtly and context. You have to read the full quotes from Bielema and Dantonio (below).

I was in Meyer’s office Thursday and told him about Bielema’s Wednesday statements.

“He [Bielema] called and said that [pausing] It really wasn’t our staff, it was the previous [staff],” Meyer said, “something about where a pro player called a kid or something like that. A former Buckeye called a kid. That’s all I remember. I checked into it, there’s no truth to anything.”

Unethical? Name me a coach who hasn’t signed a recruit who had been favoring another school. It’s how the industry works. It’s cutthroat. It’s brutal.

“I tell our guys,” Meyer said, “you really have no value to a program if you can’t recruit.”

All this reminds me of the great Ricky Bobby who once said, “If you’re not first, you’re last.”

Good call. There are no second places in a recruiting. You either get the guy or you don’t. As long as no NCAA or civil laws are broken, it’s every recruiter for himself. By some estimates, Meyer landed four kids who had committed to Penn State. It would have been a recruiting sin, if he didn’t pick over the remains of Penn State football. In fact, who didn't go after Penn State recruits? Maybe the best question for Meyer is, “Four? Why didn’t you get six?”

Speaking at high school coaches’ clinic Friday morning, Meyer had enough. He was quoted as saying (rhetorically): “You’re pissed because we went after a committed guy? Guess what, we got nine guys [recruiters] who better go do it again. Do it a little harder next time.”

How does that taste, Big Ten? Bielema told the Sporting News that Wisconsin AD Barry Alvarez would speak to Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany Friday about Meyer’s recruiting methods. There’s one problem with that. Let’s say that Meyer pissed off a bunch of Big Ten coaches by taking their commits. Again, so what? “Commit” should be stricken from recruiting glossary along with “slight lean” and “strong verbal.” They are contrived terms meant to shame a player into what has become some sort of promise/marriage/sacred bond.

But let’s say that somehow Delany pushes through an official Big Ten stance that no coach can intrude on a “committed” recruit. The one big problem: Even if all 12 Big Ten schools agree, there are 108 other FBS programs who won’t.

In fact, recruiters will be laughing all the way to their private planes during recruiting season. How do you think SEC coaches are going to react if the Big Ten coaches all agree to this little “gentlemen’s agreement?”

Probably by winning a seven consecutive national championship, for starters.  

“Gentlemen’s agreement?,” one incredulous former major-college assistant told me Friday. “[Recruiting] is a Clint Eastwood movie. ‘Hang ‘Em High, ‘The Good, The Bad, The Ugly.’ Are you kidding me? Gentleman’s agreement?”

Context was an issue here. I had a Michigan State official call me to explain Dantonio’s quotes. Read the entire Bielema statement from signing day. Kind of takes some of the starch out of a flaming controversy that continues to have kindling thrown on it. Michigan State defensive coordinator "starts a recruiting rivalry."

You would hope. In fact, there should be a recruiting rivalry should exist with every Big Ten team. The Spartans haven't been to a Rose Bowl in almost 25 years.

Anyway, here's the full quotes ... 

Mark Dantonio
speaking in general on Wednesday:

"I would say it's pretty unethical. You ask people for a commitment, you ask for people's trust, ask for people to make a commitment to you, but then you turn around and say it's OK to go back after somebody else's commitment. That's a double standard.

"Everybody's got a job to do, there's a lot of pressure, but we're all grown men and we're trying to do a job, just like society today in every respect, whether it's a reporter or doctor or lawyer or somebody else. People are gonna try and do their job, they're gonna do what they have to do to get it done sometimes."

Specifically on Urban Meyer:

“They've got a new coach, there's differences when a new coach comes in. It's a new testing of the waters, but it's a two-way street, it's always a two-way street. There's always gotta be the other person listening, too. I think when it becomes a matter of twisting somebody, when you're a 50-year-old man or 40-year-old man twisting a 17-year-old, that's when it's wrong.

"I'm not saying that's happening in the Big Ten Conference, but I see that happening around the country. That happens when somebody decommits on the day of signing day and you've got to wonder about that."
Dantonio then released this statement on Friday: "Let me be clear: Some general recruiting statements I made were completely taken out of context when combined together by a reporter not in attendance. The timing of my comments was a reflection of an occurring matter on Signing Day and nothing to do with Urban Meyer at Ohio State. My comments regarding 'unethical' behavior were general in nature, according to my current coaching philosophy, and not directed toward any particular institution." 

Question to Bret Bielema on Wednesday: Is Urban Meyer’s hiring changed recruiting in the Upper Midwest and in the Big Ten?

Bielema:  "Well, I don’t think it, I hope it doesn’t change. I think the potential to change has been there. And, there’s a few things that happened early on that I made people be aware of that I didn’t want to see in this league that I had seen take place at other leagues, other recruiting tactics, other recruiting practices that are illegal. And I was very up front and was very pointed to the fact. I actually reached out to Coach Meyer and shared my thoughts and concerns with him, and the situation got rectified.

“But the one thing I love about this league, it was kind of funny, when I was a younger coach, I was offered a job in another league, right? And this coach, I was working for $175,000 for Coach Alvarez, and he asked me what I was making, and I said I was making $175,000. He goes, ‘how many year contract?’ I said, ‘zero, just a one-year contract.’ He goes, ‘I’ll offer you $350,000 in a four-year contract.’ And I’m like, ‘ah, I don’t think so. You know, it’s not, money is not important to me at this point. I kind of want to stay where I’m at in the Big Ten. It’s got great values. I’m at a great place, a great institution.’

He goes, ‘okay, I’ll make it $450,000, and I’ll give you a five-year guarantee.’ I said, ‘okay, now I’ve got to talk to you.’ But it did make a point of interest to me. I didn’t tell you that I was just joking. But it was a real offer that was out there. And he said to me, ‘you know what the difference between the Big Ten and this conference is?’

And I said, ‘no.’ He said, ‘in the Big Ten, everybody tells on everybody. In our conference, nobody tells on anybody.’ And that made a huge comment to me. And I’ve been very cognizant of that, encourage our coaches to play by the books, to do things in a certain way. If you have to lie, cheat, or steal to get someone here, it doesn’t make a great point once you get them here about how you’ve got to handle them.

“So I think that’s the point that I’ll take moving forward. Our league is based on certain values that we’re going to hold to be true. And, you know, if you don’t hold to those things to be true in our conference, well, you’ll be held accountable.”

There’s a couple of ways of fixing this “situation.” It sounds like Delany is going to have to have a come-to-Jesus meeting with his coaches to stop the backbiting. It happened with the SEC’s Mike Slive a couple of years ago when Kiffin was in full throat.

The other is to establish an early signing day, say the first week of December. High school players can be left alone to concentrate on state playoffs and their studies. Families don’t have to waste money on last-minute unofficial visits. Best of all, it relieves the pressure Signing Day, a date that has evolved into becoming an end to the process. 

It’s actually the beginning of a two-month signing period, but they don’t want you to know that. That’s an issue for another day. For now, it’s Urban’s world and the Big Ten is only living in it. 


Since: Dec 3, 2009
Posted on: February 3, 2012 6:51 pm

It's Urban's world, Big Ten -- deal with it

I just saw someone at the earlier part of this thread compare a partnership of two people to recruits.  In a partnership, generally the two parties actually care for each other and is not for the purpose of profit (most of the time anyway).  In college recruiting, these players are only being recruited for the sole intention for profit and job security.

These are college recruits who are picking an institution that will affect them the rest of their lives.  I believe it's crappy when a recruit stays committed to a school and then backs out to go to another school.  But it's the nature of the beast.  I hate Urban Meyer and the Buckeyes more than anyone, but what he did was unethical, but not illegal.

The only thing binding is the LOI, and before that gets signs, every recruit is up for grabs.  BTW, just because you propose to a girl and she says yes, doesn't mean there isn't some doucher waiting to try to pick her up.  If she leaves you for said doucher, it's a pretty sad move on her part, but at the end of the day it certainly isn't illegal. 

Since: Sep 2, 2008
Posted on: February 3, 2012 6:50 pm

It's Urban's world, Big Ten -- deal with it

Here's your knowledge...they were verbal commitments....  they changed their minds.  Night.  Go Bucks.

Since: Sep 2, 2008
Posted on: February 3, 2012 6:48 pm

It's Urban's world, Big Ten -- deal with it

You pissed PeteND?  What's the ND stand for?  Just curious.  Cancer?  He's clean as a whistle.  Enjoy Brian Kelly... or your nickname, No d*ck.  Guess it depends on what ND stands for.  Pick your poison.

Since: Apr 16, 2009
Posted on: February 3, 2012 6:47 pm
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Since: Sep 2, 2008
Posted on: February 3, 2012 6:45 pm

It's Urban's world, Big Ten -- deal with it

...with no violations, 2 championships, a Heisman winner, etc.  We'll take that, Redwing fan.  What state do you live in?  Oh, see ya this season.  Enjoy your beatings.

Since: Sep 2, 2008
Posted on: February 3, 2012 6:43 pm

It's Urban's world, Big Ten -- deal with it

Good luck with your favorite school, JoeFootball.  You are just jealous.  Dream on.  Coach Meyer is home.  Get it?  You would if you were a Buckeye. 

With Love,


Since: Sep 2, 2008
Posted on: February 3, 2012 6:39 pm

It's Urban's world, Big Ten -- deal with it

Your hole is just sore.  You will get over it.  Loser.  Explain the rule-bender comment.  No validity.

Since: Sep 2, 2008
Posted on: February 3, 2012 6:37 pm

It's Urban's world, Big Ten -- deal with it

It was "open season" this year hoosier idiot.  They went through hell, lost Pryor, Tress, suspensions, gave back wins, 1st year coach, etc...and just hired their new coach 2 months ago... what happened?  Your Hoosiers didn't flip any recruits from us?  Dick.  You people that are bashing are jealous.  Sorry our program didn't go into the sh*tter like you all wanted.  Get ready for a smackdown every year.  Oh, and the recruiting class for 2013 is going to blow your minds.  Suck it, haters.  Go Bucks!!!  Thank you Coach Meyer!!

Since: Sep 5, 2010
Posted on: February 3, 2012 6:32 pm

It's Urban's world, Big Ten -- deal with it

This article only confirmed three things that everyone alread knew:

1.) Urban Meyer is and always will be a rule-bending-and-even-breaking hack.
2.) Dennis Dodd's man-crush on Meyer is still alive and well.
3.) Brett Bielema always loses out when his adversary has any talent and/or skills whatsoever (and yes, I'm a Badger fan).  

Since: Apr 12, 2007
Posted on: February 3, 2012 6:22 pm

It's Urban's world, Big Ten -- deal with it

The amazing level of HYPOCRISY of these coaches is just laughable.  Let's take Dantonio first.  For him to talk about 'being men' and 'sticking to his word' and 'a commitment is a commitment', tell that to all the players you left at UCincy and Western Mich (or wherever he crawled out from first)?  What about your commitment to all those young men, Coach Dantonio???  As for the joke of coach talking about morals:  Mr. i'm staying in the B10 b/c we have....what was that....$450k for 5 years?  Ok now you have my attention.  Regardless of what he choose to do after that, he showed his hypocritcal colors with that statement.  

It just baffles me how some of these guys can look at themselves in the mirror in the morning. AND then to compare themselves to doctors who deal with live and death and even lawyers who have a profound impact on people's lives everyday.  YOUR COACHES!!  Yeah, that's import and you have the opportunity to mold young men which is admirable...OR RATHER could be admirable.  BUT YOUR COACHING A GAME!!!  It's just a game!  Granted hundreds of millions of dollars are at stake but it is still JUST A GAME.  GET OVER YOURSELVES.

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