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It's Urban's world, Big Ten -- deal with it

Posted on: February 3, 2012 2:27 pm
Edited on: February 3, 2012 9:20 pm

The irony is that Urban Meyer and Lane Kiffin have almost become buds.

“As bizarre as this is because our relationship has been so public, I actually get along with him, probably, now,” Meyer told me this week. “We actually have conversations now. He’s fine. We’re fine. He apologized. I said, ‘I acted like a child too.’ ”

It was three years ago, that Kiffin started a year-long tweaking of the SEC establishment by accusing Meyer, then at Florida, of breaking NCAA rules.

“I love the fact that Urban had to cheat and still didn’t get him,” Kiffin said of the now infamous and inaccurate accusation regarding receiver Nu’Keese Richardson.

Left in Kiffin’s wake were a half-dozen secondary violations remaining from his zeal to remake the Vols. As we know, his one-act play at Tennessee is long over. Kiffin has rehabbed both USC and his image the last two seasons.

“He reached out,” Ohio State's new coach said of Kiffin. “I reached back. Me and his dad [Monte] have been friends for a long time. I was as [much to blame] as anybody. I was very childish and egotistical. Then he reached out and said, ‘You know what? We didn’t start out on the right foot.’ “

This all comes in the context of a lot of childishness, Big Ten style. In the past 48 hours, Meyer has morphed from rock star free-agent savior come down from the heavens to rescue Ohio State football, to a recruiting bottom feeder. In the unholy marriage of Twitter, internet and incessant electronic talkfests, there were strong words thrown around to describe Meyer’s recruiting methods.

“Illegal,” said Wisconsin’s Bret Bielema.

“Unethical,” said Michigan State’s Mark Dantonio.

Really quickly, Meyer has become the Lane Kiffin of the Big Ten. Meyer’s boss, Gene Smith, felt compelled to issue a statement Friday. Without actually saying it, the coaches seemed to intimate that Meyer was “flipping” recruits, getting them to come to Ohio State after they’d committed to other schools. The description used Wednesday on National Signing Day was that Meyer had signed eight players who had previously committed to other schools.

So what? Flipped, turned. Whatever. The man had a few short days to fix Ohio State in recruiting, with a bowl ban thrown in to work around. The problem is as the story develops, it lacks nuance, subtly and context. You have to read the full quotes from Bielema and Dantonio (below).

I was in Meyer’s office Thursday and told him about Bielema’s Wednesday statements.

“He [Bielema] called and said that [pausing] It really wasn’t our staff, it was the previous [staff],” Meyer said, “something about where a pro player called a kid or something like that. A former Buckeye called a kid. That’s all I remember. I checked into it, there’s no truth to anything.”

Unethical? Name me a coach who hasn’t signed a recruit who had been favoring another school. It’s how the industry works. It’s cutthroat. It’s brutal.

“I tell our guys,” Meyer said, “you really have no value to a program if you can’t recruit.”

All this reminds me of the great Ricky Bobby who once said, “If you’re not first, you’re last.”

Good call. There are no second places in a recruiting. You either get the guy or you don’t. As long as no NCAA or civil laws are broken, it’s every recruiter for himself. By some estimates, Meyer landed four kids who had committed to Penn State. It would have been a recruiting sin, if he didn’t pick over the remains of Penn State football. In fact, who didn't go after Penn State recruits? Maybe the best question for Meyer is, “Four? Why didn’t you get six?”

Speaking at high school coaches’ clinic Friday morning, Meyer had enough. He was quoted as saying (rhetorically): “You’re pissed because we went after a committed guy? Guess what, we got nine guys [recruiters] who better go do it again. Do it a little harder next time.”

How does that taste, Big Ten? Bielema told the Sporting News that Wisconsin AD Barry Alvarez would speak to Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany Friday about Meyer’s recruiting methods. There’s one problem with that. Let’s say that Meyer pissed off a bunch of Big Ten coaches by taking their commits. Again, so what? “Commit” should be stricken from recruiting glossary along with “slight lean” and “strong verbal.” They are contrived terms meant to shame a player into what has become some sort of promise/marriage/sacred bond.

But let’s say that somehow Delany pushes through an official Big Ten stance that no coach can intrude on a “committed” recruit. The one big problem: Even if all 12 Big Ten schools agree, there are 108 other FBS programs who won’t.

In fact, recruiters will be laughing all the way to their private planes during recruiting season. How do you think SEC coaches are going to react if the Big Ten coaches all agree to this little “gentlemen’s agreement?”

Probably by winning a seven consecutive national championship, for starters.  

“Gentlemen’s agreement?,” one incredulous former major-college assistant told me Friday. “[Recruiting] is a Clint Eastwood movie. ‘Hang ‘Em High, ‘The Good, The Bad, The Ugly.’ Are you kidding me? Gentleman’s agreement?”

Context was an issue here. I had a Michigan State official call me to explain Dantonio’s quotes. Read the entire Bielema statement from signing day. Kind of takes some of the starch out of a flaming controversy that continues to have kindling thrown on it. Michigan State defensive coordinator "starts a recruiting rivalry."

You would hope. In fact, there should be a recruiting rivalry should exist with every Big Ten team. The Spartans haven't been to a Rose Bowl in almost 25 years.

Anyway, here's the full quotes ... 

Mark Dantonio
speaking in general on Wednesday:

"I would say it's pretty unethical. You ask people for a commitment, you ask for people's trust, ask for people to make a commitment to you, but then you turn around and say it's OK to go back after somebody else's commitment. That's a double standard.

"Everybody's got a job to do, there's a lot of pressure, but we're all grown men and we're trying to do a job, just like society today in every respect, whether it's a reporter or doctor or lawyer or somebody else. People are gonna try and do their job, they're gonna do what they have to do to get it done sometimes."

Specifically on Urban Meyer:

“They've got a new coach, there's differences when a new coach comes in. It's a new testing of the waters, but it's a two-way street, it's always a two-way street. There's always gotta be the other person listening, too. I think when it becomes a matter of twisting somebody, when you're a 50-year-old man or 40-year-old man twisting a 17-year-old, that's when it's wrong.

"I'm not saying that's happening in the Big Ten Conference, but I see that happening around the country. That happens when somebody decommits on the day of signing day and you've got to wonder about that."
Dantonio then released this statement on Friday: "Let me be clear: Some general recruiting statements I made were completely taken out of context when combined together by a reporter not in attendance. The timing of my comments was a reflection of an occurring matter on Signing Day and nothing to do with Urban Meyer at Ohio State. My comments regarding 'unethical' behavior were general in nature, according to my current coaching philosophy, and not directed toward any particular institution." 

Question to Bret Bielema on Wednesday: Is Urban Meyer’s hiring changed recruiting in the Upper Midwest and in the Big Ten?

Bielema:  "Well, I don’t think it, I hope it doesn’t change. I think the potential to change has been there. And, there’s a few things that happened early on that I made people be aware of that I didn’t want to see in this league that I had seen take place at other leagues, other recruiting tactics, other recruiting practices that are illegal. And I was very up front and was very pointed to the fact. I actually reached out to Coach Meyer and shared my thoughts and concerns with him, and the situation got rectified.

“But the one thing I love about this league, it was kind of funny, when I was a younger coach, I was offered a job in another league, right? And this coach, I was working for $175,000 for Coach Alvarez, and he asked me what I was making, and I said I was making $175,000. He goes, ‘how many year contract?’ I said, ‘zero, just a one-year contract.’ He goes, ‘I’ll offer you $350,000 in a four-year contract.’ And I’m like, ‘ah, I don’t think so. You know, it’s not, money is not important to me at this point. I kind of want to stay where I’m at in the Big Ten. It’s got great values. I’m at a great place, a great institution.’

He goes, ‘okay, I’ll make it $450,000, and I’ll give you a five-year guarantee.’ I said, ‘okay, now I’ve got to talk to you.’ But it did make a point of interest to me. I didn’t tell you that I was just joking. But it was a real offer that was out there. And he said to me, ‘you know what the difference between the Big Ten and this conference is?’

And I said, ‘no.’ He said, ‘in the Big Ten, everybody tells on everybody. In our conference, nobody tells on anybody.’ And that made a huge comment to me. And I’ve been very cognizant of that, encourage our coaches to play by the books, to do things in a certain way. If you have to lie, cheat, or steal to get someone here, it doesn’t make a great point once you get them here about how you’ve got to handle them.

“So I think that’s the point that I’ll take moving forward. Our league is based on certain values that we’re going to hold to be true. And, you know, if you don’t hold to those things to be true in our conference, well, you’ll be held accountable.”

There’s a couple of ways of fixing this “situation.” It sounds like Delany is going to have to have a come-to-Jesus meeting with his coaches to stop the backbiting. It happened with the SEC’s Mike Slive a couple of years ago when Kiffin was in full throat.

The other is to establish an early signing day, say the first week of December. High school players can be left alone to concentrate on state playoffs and their studies. Families don’t have to waste money on last-minute unofficial visits. Best of all, it relieves the pressure Signing Day, a date that has evolved into becoming an end to the process. 

It’s actually the beginning of a two-month signing period, but they don’t want you to know that. That’s an issue for another day. For now, it’s Urban’s world and the Big Ten is only living in it. 


Since: Jan 26, 2010
Posted on: February 6, 2012 9:33 am

It's Urban's world, Big Ten -- deal with it

And BrutusREvenge you are a complete pinhead...when it comes to a scandal,your school has done a whole lot worse then Penn St. will ever do as there is more to  your so called tatoo gate then your wicked Gene Smith and Delany are letting onto. There were drug issues and trafficking involved yet to avoid your schools wicked ties to terrorism it was swept under the rug by B1G administrators. Theeee worthlesss ohio st. or better known as CHEATER U is a disgrace to the B1G, to football and to society....its now understandable why your stupid looking buckeye leafs on your helmet resemble marijuana.

Since: Oct 30, 2006
Posted on: February 6, 2012 7:36 am

It's Urban's world, Big Ten -- deal with it

Hey  I'm a U of M fan that  agrees with you.  What's even better Brady Hoke's comment on how everybody is fair game until signing day makes me even feel better. What I don't really care for is how many of these OSU people always point the finger at Michigan every time one of these incidents seem to come up. MSU and Wisconsin seem to be screaming loudest about this, and really Who cares!! As long as Urban Meyer doesn't get caught doing anything wrong, he's doing his job,right? What's even more to be aware of is that Ohio State is on a 5 year watch right now and I doubt ole Urban would get careless right out of the gate. At least one wouldn't think so. On the other hand, if I were him I wouldn't want all this negative BS casting any suspiscions either.

Since: Apr 9, 2009
Posted on: February 6, 2012 6:15 am

It's Urban's world, Big Ten -- deal with it

As most UofM fans are going to disagree and have something to say about this. I for one am happy about how Urban is recruiting. One because it shows other coaches in the B10 to go after whoever they want. Two it will make the B10 more competitive on the recruiting front against the SEC and Three it will make the UofM and ohio game better. Everyone needs to stop complaining about it. Okay so your team lost a few recruits, get over it. If that player is so important then your school then do work and recruit him. Obviously, ohio is taking that into consideration and getting the work done.

Since: Feb 5, 2012
Posted on: February 6, 2012 1:01 am

It's Urban's world, Big Ten -- deal with it

You ask how the mighty SEC does it, Big Ten Coaches you've just been schooled on why the SEC has won six consecutive national championships. In the SEC recruiting never ends, and was this unrelenting task which lead to Urban Meyer having the health complications that lead to his early retirement. In the SEC, no commitment is firm until a LOI is signed and the signature confirmed to be legitimate and not forged. Alvarez from Wisconsin alleged that their is a gentlemen's agreement to not recruit committed players, however in ones quest for greatness their is no place for gentlemen especially if you wish to win a National Championship.

Big Ten Coaches you can now inhale, because each of the coaches who complained have been guilty of recruiting committed players. In hindsight I believe that these complaints are the first signs of fear, and concern that they would be unable to recruit with the Mighty Urban Meyer.  

Since: Apr 22, 2009
Posted on: February 6, 2012 12:15 am

It's Urban's world, Big Ten -- deal with it

Bottom line get rid of the "oral commitments", then ensure that the athlete receives a FULL FOUR SCHOLARSHIP.  Now to the cry babies, until there is a name on the paper, free game then if the coach leaves one school and goes to another with "time" still on his contract THEN that coach;1- cannot take one recruit from the school he left, kids recruited by that coach (during the first two years) can go to any school with the exception of the new school.  Go Buckeyes!

Since: May 15, 2007
Posted on: February 5, 2012 11:49 pm

It's Urban's world, Big Ten -- deal with it

my question to Coach Dantonio: what about your recruits at Cincinnati? you committed to them and left them for MSU- double standard????

 I agree tatianna. These coaches need to get off their high horse and realize that it is the kids decision until he signs his name on the line. It's not like the kid can up and change schools without sitting out like the coaches do. Dantonio and then elly left Cincy high and dry after  am sure they sold kids on values and building a program blah blah blah. I have absolutely no problem with a kid changing his mind where he wants to go to school at all. Dantonio is probably ust mad the Buckeyes didn't consoder him for the head job at tOSU.

Since: Jan 15, 2009
Posted on: February 5, 2012 11:45 pm

It's Urban's world, Big Ten -- deal with it

Brutus, don't group all Penn State fans together.  I think Urban's doing a great job.  He's doing exactly what he should be and has done nothing wrong.  O'Brien needs to get to Penn State and start working on the 2013 recruiting class.  Meyer already has a leg up on him and there's on so much of a talent differential that can be overcome.

Ohio State should be elite for the next several years--Meyer will consistently bring in top 10 (hell, top 5) classes.

Also, the fact you're even bringing up the scandal is, well, unneeded.  Class still exists at Penn State even though some didn't show any. 

Since: Feb 5, 2012
Posted on: February 5, 2012 11:26 pm

It's Urban's world, Big Ten -- deal with it

You ask people for a commitment, you ask for people's trust, ask for people to make a commitment to you, but then you turn around and say it's OK to go back after somebody else's commitment. That's a double standard.

my question to Coach Dantonio: what about your recruits at Cincinnati? you committed to them and left them for MSU- double standard????  

Since: Dec 7, 2008
Posted on: February 5, 2012 10:10 pm

It's Urban's world, Big Ten -- deal with it

Penn State wipe comparing Meyer to Hitler when thier shower was used for Hitler like behavior is pathetic.  Penn St was always a classy place, your crap comment bringing Hitler into is as stupid as you probably look in the mirror.  Class=Penn St?  Not anymore and that statement proves my point beyond any doubt.  God your dumb!!

Since: Jun 30, 2009
Posted on: February 5, 2012 2:47 pm

It's Urban's world, Big Ten -- deal with it

ohio only had a good class bc the ncaa dropped to their knees and let them have a staff for the bowl game an another to recruit

Whats funny is the Buckeyes are not the only team THIS season that did that.  But no complaints about the others.  Wonder why....

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