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It's Urban's world, Big Ten -- deal with it

Posted on: February 3, 2012 2:27 pm
Edited on: February 3, 2012 9:20 pm

The irony is that Urban Meyer and Lane Kiffin have almost become buds.

“As bizarre as this is because our relationship has been so public, I actually get along with him, probably, now,” Meyer told me this week. “We actually have conversations now. He’s fine. We’re fine. He apologized. I said, ‘I acted like a child too.’ ”

It was three years ago, that Kiffin started a year-long tweaking of the SEC establishment by accusing Meyer, then at Florida, of breaking NCAA rules.

“I love the fact that Urban had to cheat and still didn’t get him,” Kiffin said of the now infamous and inaccurate accusation regarding receiver Nu’Keese Richardson.

Left in Kiffin’s wake were a half-dozen secondary violations remaining from his zeal to remake the Vols. As we know, his one-act play at Tennessee is long over. Kiffin has rehabbed both USC and his image the last two seasons.

“He reached out,” Ohio State's new coach said of Kiffin. “I reached back. Me and his dad [Monte] have been friends for a long time. I was as [much to blame] as anybody. I was very childish and egotistical. Then he reached out and said, ‘You know what? We didn’t start out on the right foot.’ “

This all comes in the context of a lot of childishness, Big Ten style. In the past 48 hours, Meyer has morphed from rock star free-agent savior come down from the heavens to rescue Ohio State football, to a recruiting bottom feeder. In the unholy marriage of Twitter, internet and incessant electronic talkfests, there were strong words thrown around to describe Meyer’s recruiting methods.

“Illegal,” said Wisconsin’s Bret Bielema.

“Unethical,” said Michigan State’s Mark Dantonio.

Really quickly, Meyer has become the Lane Kiffin of the Big Ten. Meyer’s boss, Gene Smith, felt compelled to issue a statement Friday. Without actually saying it, the coaches seemed to intimate that Meyer was “flipping” recruits, getting them to come to Ohio State after they’d committed to other schools. The description used Wednesday on National Signing Day was that Meyer had signed eight players who had previously committed to other schools.

So what? Flipped, turned. Whatever. The man had a few short days to fix Ohio State in recruiting, with a bowl ban thrown in to work around. The problem is as the story develops, it lacks nuance, subtly and context. You have to read the full quotes from Bielema and Dantonio (below).

I was in Meyer’s office Thursday and told him about Bielema’s Wednesday statements.

“He [Bielema] called and said that [pausing] It really wasn’t our staff, it was the previous [staff],” Meyer said, “something about where a pro player called a kid or something like that. A former Buckeye called a kid. That’s all I remember. I checked into it, there’s no truth to anything.”

Unethical? Name me a coach who hasn’t signed a recruit who had been favoring another school. It’s how the industry works. It’s cutthroat. It’s brutal.

“I tell our guys,” Meyer said, “you really have no value to a program if you can’t recruit.”

All this reminds me of the great Ricky Bobby who once said, “If you’re not first, you’re last.”

Good call. There are no second places in a recruiting. You either get the guy or you don’t. As long as no NCAA or civil laws are broken, it’s every recruiter for himself. By some estimates, Meyer landed four kids who had committed to Penn State. It would have been a recruiting sin, if he didn’t pick over the remains of Penn State football. In fact, who didn't go after Penn State recruits? Maybe the best question for Meyer is, “Four? Why didn’t you get six?”

Speaking at high school coaches’ clinic Friday morning, Meyer had enough. He was quoted as saying (rhetorically): “You’re pissed because we went after a committed guy? Guess what, we got nine guys [recruiters] who better go do it again. Do it a little harder next time.”

How does that taste, Big Ten? Bielema told the Sporting News that Wisconsin AD Barry Alvarez would speak to Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany Friday about Meyer’s recruiting methods. There’s one problem with that. Let’s say that Meyer pissed off a bunch of Big Ten coaches by taking their commits. Again, so what? “Commit” should be stricken from recruiting glossary along with “slight lean” and “strong verbal.” They are contrived terms meant to shame a player into what has become some sort of promise/marriage/sacred bond.

But let’s say that somehow Delany pushes through an official Big Ten stance that no coach can intrude on a “committed” recruit. The one big problem: Even if all 12 Big Ten schools agree, there are 108 other FBS programs who won’t.

In fact, recruiters will be laughing all the way to their private planes during recruiting season. How do you think SEC coaches are going to react if the Big Ten coaches all agree to this little “gentlemen’s agreement?”

Probably by winning a seven consecutive national championship, for starters.  

“Gentlemen’s agreement?,” one incredulous former major-college assistant told me Friday. “[Recruiting] is a Clint Eastwood movie. ‘Hang ‘Em High, ‘The Good, The Bad, The Ugly.’ Are you kidding me? Gentleman’s agreement?”

Context was an issue here. I had a Michigan State official call me to explain Dantonio’s quotes. Read the entire Bielema statement from signing day. Kind of takes some of the starch out of a flaming controversy that continues to have kindling thrown on it. Michigan State defensive coordinator "starts a recruiting rivalry."

You would hope. In fact, there should be a recruiting rivalry should exist with every Big Ten team. The Spartans haven't been to a Rose Bowl in almost 25 years.

Anyway, here's the full quotes ... 

Mark Dantonio
speaking in general on Wednesday:

"I would say it's pretty unethical. You ask people for a commitment, you ask for people's trust, ask for people to make a commitment to you, but then you turn around and say it's OK to go back after somebody else's commitment. That's a double standard.

"Everybody's got a job to do, there's a lot of pressure, but we're all grown men and we're trying to do a job, just like society today in every respect, whether it's a reporter or doctor or lawyer or somebody else. People are gonna try and do their job, they're gonna do what they have to do to get it done sometimes."

Specifically on Urban Meyer:

“They've got a new coach, there's differences when a new coach comes in. It's a new testing of the waters, but it's a two-way street, it's always a two-way street. There's always gotta be the other person listening, too. I think when it becomes a matter of twisting somebody, when you're a 50-year-old man or 40-year-old man twisting a 17-year-old, that's when it's wrong.

"I'm not saying that's happening in the Big Ten Conference, but I see that happening around the country. That happens when somebody decommits on the day of signing day and you've got to wonder about that."
Dantonio then released this statement on Friday: "Let me be clear: Some general recruiting statements I made were completely taken out of context when combined together by a reporter not in attendance. The timing of my comments was a reflection of an occurring matter on Signing Day and nothing to do with Urban Meyer at Ohio State. My comments regarding 'unethical' behavior were general in nature, according to my current coaching philosophy, and not directed toward any particular institution." 

Question to Bret Bielema on Wednesday: Is Urban Meyer’s hiring changed recruiting in the Upper Midwest and in the Big Ten?

Bielema:  "Well, I don’t think it, I hope it doesn’t change. I think the potential to change has been there. And, there’s a few things that happened early on that I made people be aware of that I didn’t want to see in this league that I had seen take place at other leagues, other recruiting tactics, other recruiting practices that are illegal. And I was very up front and was very pointed to the fact. I actually reached out to Coach Meyer and shared my thoughts and concerns with him, and the situation got rectified.

“But the one thing I love about this league, it was kind of funny, when I was a younger coach, I was offered a job in another league, right? And this coach, I was working for $175,000 for Coach Alvarez, and he asked me what I was making, and I said I was making $175,000. He goes, ‘how many year contract?’ I said, ‘zero, just a one-year contract.’ He goes, ‘I’ll offer you $350,000 in a four-year contract.’ And I’m like, ‘ah, I don’t think so. You know, it’s not, money is not important to me at this point. I kind of want to stay where I’m at in the Big Ten. It’s got great values. I’m at a great place, a great institution.’

He goes, ‘okay, I’ll make it $450,000, and I’ll give you a five-year guarantee.’ I said, ‘okay, now I’ve got to talk to you.’ But it did make a point of interest to me. I didn’t tell you that I was just joking. But it was a real offer that was out there. And he said to me, ‘you know what the difference between the Big Ten and this conference is?’

And I said, ‘no.’ He said, ‘in the Big Ten, everybody tells on everybody. In our conference, nobody tells on anybody.’ And that made a huge comment to me. And I’ve been very cognizant of that, encourage our coaches to play by the books, to do things in a certain way. If you have to lie, cheat, or steal to get someone here, it doesn’t make a great point once you get them here about how you’ve got to handle them.

“So I think that’s the point that I’ll take moving forward. Our league is based on certain values that we’re going to hold to be true. And, you know, if you don’t hold to those things to be true in our conference, well, you’ll be held accountable.”

There’s a couple of ways of fixing this “situation.” It sounds like Delany is going to have to have a come-to-Jesus meeting with his coaches to stop the backbiting. It happened with the SEC’s Mike Slive a couple of years ago when Kiffin was in full throat.

The other is to establish an early signing day, say the first week of December. High school players can be left alone to concentrate on state playoffs and their studies. Families don’t have to waste money on last-minute unofficial visits. Best of all, it relieves the pressure Signing Day, a date that has evolved into becoming an end to the process. 

It’s actually the beginning of a two-month signing period, but they don’t want you to know that. That’s an issue for another day. For now, it’s Urban’s world and the Big Ten is only living in it. 


Since: Oct 10, 2006
Posted on: February 5, 2012 1:32 am

It's Urban's world, Big Ten -- deal with it

Let's talk about what the real issue is here, and why bubble-boy brady hoke is really whining.

Try reading the article.  Hoke isn't mentioned once in here.

Since: Oct 8, 2009
Posted on: February 5, 2012 1:02 am

It's Urban's world, Big Ten -- deal with it

Just to add a few other things...anyone who brings academics into any discussion of big-time college football immediately loses all credibility as a college football fan simply on the basis that any true CFG fan has always known how the system works.  The truly "elite" programs are self sustaining and will always get the big TV money and better recruits.  Is it fair? Of course its not, but that's the way the system works.  

I admit that I'm a hardcors Bama fan, and remained so during the humiliating period before Saban arrived.  Its a fact that any coach or any team which starts to dominate their sport for an extended period period of time will eventually be attacked and accused of cheating (whether true or not).  The SEC does not cheat.  They may find "loopholes" in existing rules.  This is an example of the term "due dilligence".  Meyer learned from his time in the SEC that you learn and know the rules, and as long as you stay within them you do what you have to.  Coaches in the Big-10 who claim "righteous indignation" are totally full of BS.  If I were another Big-10 coach or AD, I would welcome Meyer as an example of someone who will raise Big-10 standards and force other programs to either follow or fall.

Since: Oct 8, 2009
Posted on: February 4, 2012 11:58 pm

It's Urban's world, Big Ten -- deal with it

Nick Saban ran Meyer out of the SEC, and Meyer knew OSU was was practically an SEC prograqm (in terms of fan fanaticism and style of play).  Other coaches in the Big-10 are disguising Meyer's recruiting methods as "illegal" and "unethical" (not true and a fantasy in big-time college football).  Meyer coming to OSU is comparable to Saban coming to Alabama.  Get a great coach at the right program, and success will follow.  Meyer and OSU have put the rest of the conference on notice...."get your ass in gear or get run over". 

Since: Feb 4, 2012
Posted on: February 4, 2012 11:43 pm

It's Urban's world, Big Ten -- deal with it

ohio only had a good class bc the ncaa dropped to their knees and let them have a staff for the bowl game an another to recruit

Since: Oct 12, 2006
Posted on: February 4, 2012 11:17 pm

It's Urban's world, Big Ten -- deal with it

..except for next season..'cause you cheated, and Gee is gay.

Since: Jan 2, 2008
Posted on: February 4, 2012 11:11 pm

It's Urban's world, Big Ten -- deal with it

Reading the comments of the coaches it looks like the media has made a story out of nothing again.  MSU's coach didn't even come close to saying anything bad about Meyer.  How does the media get away with this kind of crap reporting?  So the Big Ten has a higher standard then let's say the SEC when it comes to recruiting and other areas of student athetes, So What?  Good for the Big Ten.  I think we have known for a long time schools like Harvard do not take the same type of students that go to Central Florida.  I'm just using the two as an example here but that is what I heard in the statements.  I didn't hear the coaches slamming Meyer when reading their actual statements.

Oh and Dodd, it isn't Urban's world.  He hasn't even won a game yet.  I hope he does help Ohio out.  We need them to be a good team when Michigan whips on them. 

Since: Dec 1, 2011
Posted on: February 4, 2012 10:49 pm

It's Urban's world, Big Ten -- deal with it

Shocking, Dodd kissing an ex SEC coaches cheating butt.

Since: Aug 8, 2009
Posted on: February 4, 2012 10:10 pm

It's Urban's world, Big Ten -- deal with it

Polar bear, are you sure it's a mole he wants to get them into, it might be the other way around with a gerbil. Of course he's a good fit, they're on probation already, Urban will show us there's no more death penalty when he's caught cheating like sweater boy Tressel...who walks away in denial when he knew how dirty he played it.

Since: Oct 4, 2007
Posted on: February 4, 2012 9:14 pm

It's Urban's world, Big Ten -- deal with it

All is fair in "love and war" recruiting as well.  Urban will need good recruits he has a long road in front of him at Ohio State to get them back in the mole that school is accustomed to, I only hope he is given time to do so .... He will make a good coach and I think is a good "fit" at the school..

Since: Oct 4, 2009
Posted on: February 4, 2012 7:42 pm

It's Urban's world, Big Ten -- deal with it

first off, I want to thank Dodd...its clear why he leaves the gender line blank on his profile.

and thanks to the haters that have posted on this thread, I haven't laughed this hard in some time.   No other topic  can bring out the hate quite like the mention of Ohio State...that means they must be doing something right.

let's talk about what the real issue is here, and why bubble-boy brady hoke is really whining.  
the big ten style of football (big, slow, ground and pound) just got sent packing, and those who cannot adapt are doomed to become obsolete themselves. 
those who are whining the loudest, realize they will be the first to go. 

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