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It's Urban's world, Big Ten -- deal with it

Posted on: February 3, 2012 2:27 pm
Edited on: February 3, 2012 9:20 pm

The irony is that Urban Meyer and Lane Kiffin have almost become buds.

“As bizarre as this is because our relationship has been so public, I actually get along with him, probably, now,” Meyer told me this week. “We actually have conversations now. He’s fine. We’re fine. He apologized. I said, ‘I acted like a child too.’ ”

It was three years ago, that Kiffin started a year-long tweaking of the SEC establishment by accusing Meyer, then at Florida, of breaking NCAA rules.

“I love the fact that Urban had to cheat and still didn’t get him,” Kiffin said of the now infamous and inaccurate accusation regarding receiver Nu’Keese Richardson.

Left in Kiffin’s wake were a half-dozen secondary violations remaining from his zeal to remake the Vols. As we know, his one-act play at Tennessee is long over. Kiffin has rehabbed both USC and his image the last two seasons.

“He reached out,” Ohio State's new coach said of Kiffin. “I reached back. Me and his dad [Monte] have been friends for a long time. I was as [much to blame] as anybody. I was very childish and egotistical. Then he reached out and said, ‘You know what? We didn’t start out on the right foot.’ “

This all comes in the context of a lot of childishness, Big Ten style. In the past 48 hours, Meyer has morphed from rock star free-agent savior come down from the heavens to rescue Ohio State football, to a recruiting bottom feeder. In the unholy marriage of Twitter, internet and incessant electronic talkfests, there were strong words thrown around to describe Meyer’s recruiting methods.

“Illegal,” said Wisconsin’s Bret Bielema.

“Unethical,” said Michigan State’s Mark Dantonio.

Really quickly, Meyer has become the Lane Kiffin of the Big Ten. Meyer’s boss, Gene Smith, felt compelled to issue a statement Friday. Without actually saying it, the coaches seemed to intimate that Meyer was “flipping” recruits, getting them to come to Ohio State after they’d committed to other schools. The description used Wednesday on National Signing Day was that Meyer had signed eight players who had previously committed to other schools.

So what? Flipped, turned. Whatever. The man had a few short days to fix Ohio State in recruiting, with a bowl ban thrown in to work around. The problem is as the story develops, it lacks nuance, subtly and context. You have to read the full quotes from Bielema and Dantonio (below).

I was in Meyer’s office Thursday and told him about Bielema’s Wednesday statements.

“He [Bielema] called and said that [pausing] It really wasn’t our staff, it was the previous [staff],” Meyer said, “something about where a pro player called a kid or something like that. A former Buckeye called a kid. That’s all I remember. I checked into it, there’s no truth to anything.”

Unethical? Name me a coach who hasn’t signed a recruit who had been favoring another school. It’s how the industry works. It’s cutthroat. It’s brutal.

“I tell our guys,” Meyer said, “you really have no value to a program if you can’t recruit.”

All this reminds me of the great Ricky Bobby who once said, “If you’re not first, you’re last.”

Good call. There are no second places in a recruiting. You either get the guy or you don’t. As long as no NCAA or civil laws are broken, it’s every recruiter for himself. By some estimates, Meyer landed four kids who had committed to Penn State. It would have been a recruiting sin, if he didn’t pick over the remains of Penn State football. In fact, who didn't go after Penn State recruits? Maybe the best question for Meyer is, “Four? Why didn’t you get six?”

Speaking at high school coaches’ clinic Friday morning, Meyer had enough. He was quoted as saying (rhetorically): “You’re pissed because we went after a committed guy? Guess what, we got nine guys [recruiters] who better go do it again. Do it a little harder next time.”

How does that taste, Big Ten? Bielema told the Sporting News that Wisconsin AD Barry Alvarez would speak to Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany Friday about Meyer’s recruiting methods. There’s one problem with that. Let’s say that Meyer pissed off a bunch of Big Ten coaches by taking their commits. Again, so what? “Commit” should be stricken from recruiting glossary along with “slight lean” and “strong verbal.” They are contrived terms meant to shame a player into what has become some sort of promise/marriage/sacred bond.

But let’s say that somehow Delany pushes through an official Big Ten stance that no coach can intrude on a “committed” recruit. The one big problem: Even if all 12 Big Ten schools agree, there are 108 other FBS programs who won’t.

In fact, recruiters will be laughing all the way to their private planes during recruiting season. How do you think SEC coaches are going to react if the Big Ten coaches all agree to this little “gentlemen’s agreement?”

Probably by winning a seven consecutive national championship, for starters.  

“Gentlemen’s agreement?,” one incredulous former major-college assistant told me Friday. “[Recruiting] is a Clint Eastwood movie. ‘Hang ‘Em High, ‘The Good, The Bad, The Ugly.’ Are you kidding me? Gentleman’s agreement?”

Context was an issue here. I had a Michigan State official call me to explain Dantonio’s quotes. Read the entire Bielema statement from signing day. Kind of takes some of the starch out of a flaming controversy that continues to have kindling thrown on it. Michigan State defensive coordinator "starts a recruiting rivalry."

You would hope. In fact, there should be a recruiting rivalry should exist with every Big Ten team. The Spartans haven't been to a Rose Bowl in almost 25 years.

Anyway, here's the full quotes ... 

Mark Dantonio
speaking in general on Wednesday:

"I would say it's pretty unethical. You ask people for a commitment, you ask for people's trust, ask for people to make a commitment to you, but then you turn around and say it's OK to go back after somebody else's commitment. That's a double standard.

"Everybody's got a job to do, there's a lot of pressure, but we're all grown men and we're trying to do a job, just like society today in every respect, whether it's a reporter or doctor or lawyer or somebody else. People are gonna try and do their job, they're gonna do what they have to do to get it done sometimes."

Specifically on Urban Meyer:

“They've got a new coach, there's differences when a new coach comes in. It's a new testing of the waters, but it's a two-way street, it's always a two-way street. There's always gotta be the other person listening, too. I think when it becomes a matter of twisting somebody, when you're a 50-year-old man or 40-year-old man twisting a 17-year-old, that's when it's wrong.

"I'm not saying that's happening in the Big Ten Conference, but I see that happening around the country. That happens when somebody decommits on the day of signing day and you've got to wonder about that."
Dantonio then released this statement on Friday: "Let me be clear: Some general recruiting statements I made were completely taken out of context when combined together by a reporter not in attendance. The timing of my comments was a reflection of an occurring matter on Signing Day and nothing to do with Urban Meyer at Ohio State. My comments regarding 'unethical' behavior were general in nature, according to my current coaching philosophy, and not directed toward any particular institution." 

Question to Bret Bielema on Wednesday: Is Urban Meyer’s hiring changed recruiting in the Upper Midwest and in the Big Ten?

Bielema:  "Well, I don’t think it, I hope it doesn’t change. I think the potential to change has been there. And, there’s a few things that happened early on that I made people be aware of that I didn’t want to see in this league that I had seen take place at other leagues, other recruiting tactics, other recruiting practices that are illegal. And I was very up front and was very pointed to the fact. I actually reached out to Coach Meyer and shared my thoughts and concerns with him, and the situation got rectified.

“But the one thing I love about this league, it was kind of funny, when I was a younger coach, I was offered a job in another league, right? And this coach, I was working for $175,000 for Coach Alvarez, and he asked me what I was making, and I said I was making $175,000. He goes, ‘how many year contract?’ I said, ‘zero, just a one-year contract.’ He goes, ‘I’ll offer you $350,000 in a four-year contract.’ And I’m like, ‘ah, I don’t think so. You know, it’s not, money is not important to me at this point. I kind of want to stay where I’m at in the Big Ten. It’s got great values. I’m at a great place, a great institution.’

He goes, ‘okay, I’ll make it $450,000, and I’ll give you a five-year guarantee.’ I said, ‘okay, now I’ve got to talk to you.’ But it did make a point of interest to me. I didn’t tell you that I was just joking. But it was a real offer that was out there. And he said to me, ‘you know what the difference between the Big Ten and this conference is?’

And I said, ‘no.’ He said, ‘in the Big Ten, everybody tells on everybody. In our conference, nobody tells on anybody.’ And that made a huge comment to me. And I’ve been very cognizant of that, encourage our coaches to play by the books, to do things in a certain way. If you have to lie, cheat, or steal to get someone here, it doesn’t make a great point once you get them here about how you’ve got to handle them.

“So I think that’s the point that I’ll take moving forward. Our league is based on certain values that we’re going to hold to be true. And, you know, if you don’t hold to those things to be true in our conference, well, you’ll be held accountable.”

There’s a couple of ways of fixing this “situation.” It sounds like Delany is going to have to have a come-to-Jesus meeting with his coaches to stop the backbiting. It happened with the SEC’s Mike Slive a couple of years ago when Kiffin was in full throat.

The other is to establish an early signing day, say the first week of December. High school players can be left alone to concentrate on state playoffs and their studies. Families don’t have to waste money on last-minute unofficial visits. Best of all, it relieves the pressure Signing Day, a date that has evolved into becoming an end to the process. 

It’s actually the beginning of a two-month signing period, but they don’t want you to know that. That’s an issue for another day. For now, it’s Urban’s world and the Big Ten is only living in it. 


Since: Feb 16, 2008
Posted on: February 4, 2012 4:11 am

It's Urban's world, Big Ten -- deal with it

All this crying and whining on here just seems like sour grapes to me.  As a Longhorn, i don't have strong feelings about Urban Meyer in either direction...but the truth of the matter is...recruiting is a 'dog-eat-dog' business and EVERY SINGLE COACH IN THE NATION knows this.  They all play by the same rules (there are no rules).  Don't like OSU poaching on your recruits in late Jan???  Stay on top of them!!!  Mich St, Wisc, Penn St. (only recently), and the rest of the Big X need not forget that the MidWest belongs to OSU and Michigan (Ann Arbor).  Its works the same in every other region...just ask Ok St. about recruiting against Mack Brown and Bob Stoops.  Or ask Les Miles about losing your guys the week of signing happens...get over it.  Hook'em!

Since: Oct 4, 2006
Posted on: February 4, 2012 2:15 am

It's Urban's world, Big Ten -- deal with it

I have no problem with competition...

What I do have a problem with is had he been at an SEC school and took players from the Big Ten or that crap in South Bend -

Gee Whiz we'd have a calling of ethics and morality examination of Urban Meyer...

Dodd, is such a obvious hack...

Since: Oct 6, 2007
Posted on: February 4, 2012 1:43 am

It's Urban's world, Big Ten -- deal with it

But seriously how can you be upset because a person who verbally said they would go to your school changed their mind.  I guess the team that he that thought they had this recruit eased up and didn't give it their all once they got the verbal commitment.  If you want to win you have to go until they actually sign, not until they say they will eventually sign.

Since: Oct 6, 2007
Posted on: February 4, 2012 1:40 am

It's Urban's world, Big Ten -- deal with it


Since: Oct 24, 2011
Posted on: February 4, 2012 1:22 am

It's Urban's world, Big Ten -- deal with it

I find it hard to believe that Urban would do anything unethical to get players.

Alert: The previous statement involved extreme sarcasm.

Since: Sep 15, 2007
Posted on: February 4, 2012 12:16 am

It's Urban's world, Big Ten -- deal with it

Aren't these comments posted by the same people who immediately after Urban's hire said he would be ineffectual at OSU? I could have sworn *scratches my head* that most were saying that there would be little impact with Meyer coaching at OSU as the SEC would always reign.  Why of all of a sudden do I hear fear in your tones after he laned some big prospects?  Did you really think this was not going to happen?

 What top tier recruit have you ever met or heard of who wouldn't want to play for a guy who has won two national championships? Where was all this outrage when Michigan and Michigan State were plundering the state's coffers of talent?  Hell Ohio has had multiple big names taken by teams such as Florida and as far away as Texas.  Those my freinds are the breaks. 

As many have said before nothing is set in stone until a signature is put on the dotted line.  I thought just about everyone knew that in regards to contracts.  A verbal commitment is just that.  If a player had every intention of going to a school for an extended period of time, that doesn't mean that is his ultimate decision.  Nor should he be pressured to go somewhere for four years where he feels he doesn't have the greatest chance at growth, whether it be athletically or academically. 

These are 17-year-old kids who are probably making the biggest decision of their lives up until now.  What makes anyone think that  fan should have any influence or exhibit disgust when a player doesn't do what they want?  Who the hell do some of you people think you are?  Yes, ideally a player shouldn't disclose where he wants to go until the last posible minute.  But you and your coaches want to tout these guys around as property as if you had landed a Rolls-Royce.

These are kids with minds of their owns.  People should respect their choices and their right to change their minds.  I have never understood how people get so damn bent out of shape at players deciding on a school.  You guys act like it is a personal afront to your delicate sensibilities.  I really don't think these guys took a second to consider your thoughts or the fall-out from disappointing you.  They don't know you from a hole in the wall.  You are just nameless faces in a crowd.

 I understand coaches being upset to a degree because it reflects on their abilities to recruit, thus bringing down the pressure from administration and alumni.  But they have to know that there is no assurance that a player will surely be in their school until letter is signed.  Does it go against the principles of "gentlemen's agreements"?  Absolutely.  There should definitely be some honor when it comes to these things, saying guys are off-limits. 

Yet, if you think this is the first time it has happened, you'd just be fooling yourselves.  This is a tride and true tradition dating back decades.  You are talking about a new breed of men and coaches. Those days of old school guys who actually respected people and had boundaries are long gone.  Check out the story about LeRoy Selman on ESPN sometime or maybe more familiar to some Eric Dickerson.  College athletic recruiting is about as cut-throat as anything pertaining to NCAA member institutions next to scientific grants and publishing.

Since: Aug 31, 2006
Posted on: February 3, 2012 10:54 pm

It's Urban's world, Big Ten -- deal with it

melampus--better get off moms computer now punk.  you sad,sad  little boy.  Too bad Santa didnt bring you everything for the holidays.  But maybe this year IF you finally  get out of FIFTH grade....

Since: Oct 19, 2007
Posted on: February 3, 2012 10:45 pm

It's Urban's world, Big Ten -- deal with it

Screw the buckfucks i hope a muzzie blows  ur shoe all to hell!!!!!!!

Since: Jan 7, 2011
Posted on: February 3, 2012 10:41 pm

It's Urban's world, Big Ten -- deal with it

the skunk weasels have a win streak at one......that comes to a end this year.....get used to you annual ass kicking boys

Since: Aug 31, 2006
Posted on: February 3, 2012 10:23 pm

It's Urban's world, Big Ten -- deal with it

ANYBODY wishing death to anyone is a small, sad juvenile little man .  Dislike... yes. Disagree with... yes .  Grow up . 

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