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My preseason top 25 applied to postseason models

Posted on: February 13, 2012 1:21 pm
Edited on: February 13, 2012 1:25 pm

You've got to start somewhere in shaping a new postseason model. Using this humble correspondent's preseason top 25 posted Monday as a template, here are a few possibilties. All of them are among the 50 or so discussed last month in New Orleans.

A seeded Plus One on campus (The Delany Model. Top-four rated teams meet in national semifinals):

No. 4 Oregon at No. 1 LSU and No. 3 Oklahoma at No. 2 USC.

Winners meet this season in the Orange Bowl based on the BCS rotation.

A Plus One in the bowls Oregon vs. LSU in the Cotton Bowl. Oklahoma vs. USC in the Sugar Bowl. Winners meet in the Orange Bowl.

An unseeded Plus One (Playing a championship game after the bowls. In this model, all six BCS league champions guaranteed a berth. No. 7 Arkansas and No. 9 Georgia are left out. Unranked Rutgers is in as Big East champion. A human committee and/or rankings determine the top two teams after the bowls):

Rose Bowl: USC* vs. Wisconsin*

Fiesta Bowl: Oklahoma* vs. Oregon

Sugar Bowl: LSU* vs. Clemson*

Orange Bowl:  Rutgers* vs. Alabama

*-conference champs

Two highest-ranked teams after the bowls meet for the national championship. Championship game location TBA.

No automatic qualifiers (No. 1 vs. No. 2 meet in the championship game. Four other major bowls are populated by the remaining teams in the top 10. Ohio State not eligible. In this scenario, five SEC teams are included. Big East and ACC not represented because no teams are ranked in top 10.)

BCS title game (Orange Bowl): LSU vs. USC

Rose: Oregon vs. Wisconsin

Sugar: Alabama vs. West Virginia

Fiesta: Oklahoma vs. South Carolina

Cotton: Georgia vs. Arkansas

Are there any other postseason models? Probably. For now, this is your lump of Play-Doh to shape.


Since: Mar 9, 2008
Posted on: February 14, 2012 2:02 pm
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Since: Nov 28, 2009
Posted on: February 14, 2012 1:57 pm

My preseason top 25 applied to postseason models

I dont want to sound like a total a$$ but lets please not use the 24 hours after a plane crash.... You cant find 3 people on that football team that even knew 1 person on that plane, I dont even know if the football coaches knew any of the coaches, I hate that it happen but that had nothing to do with the loss. OkSt is a good team that cant play D and got beat that's all folks, Take the Alabama loss in T town, Alabama missed 4 of 6 FG, only let LSU get accross the 30 yard line 2 times one time long pass play end of 1st half held to FG and the 2nd time off turnover again held to FG, the only thing that change in the NC game we did not make mistakes we felt like we were the better team in Nov and in Jan we show everybody its Alabama and then the rest...

Since: Jan 3, 2007
Posted on: February 14, 2012 1:53 pm

My preseason top 25 applied to postseason models

 All this to say, OSU wouldn't be afraid to play anyone and would welcome the chance, anywhere anytime.

So let them prove that. Alabama opens against Michigan next September. OK State opens against .... Savannah State??? For the record, that's a team I've never even heard of until I saw the OK State schedule, and I've lived in the South all my life, inlcuding at times in the State of Georgia. LOL On the other hand, I'll bet people other than me have heard of Michigan.    


Since: Aug 17, 2006
Posted on: February 14, 2012 1:41 pm

My preseason top 25 applied to postseason models

Only nice work but I have a 5th complain for the BCS in general that was a short missed field goal away from reality,  the undefated team that does not get a chance at the national title.    Boise St, missed a field but they an TCU have finished undefeated multiple times and been shut out of the BCS title game as was Cincinatti in 2007, Auburn several years before that and it could easily happen this year to a team from the ACC or Big East.   Every game in the regular season can not matter if you win them all and get assigned to the Holiday Bowl or even a non title BCS game.  

Yes I have rematches, of course someone will always cry like the 51st best team in college basketball and in my perfect world the regular season and out of conference games would count alot towards getting picked for the conference.  LSU in 2011 did better than the other contenters, LSU in 2012 will not.   An undefeated Notre Dame should have a shot just like other squads.  

Since: Jan 9, 2007
Posted on: February 14, 2012 1:33 pm

My preseason top 25 applied to postseason models

1st, let me say I'm an Oklahoma fan.  2nd, Ok State was better than OU this year (no excuses).  I do root for OSU when they are not playing OU.  Some of you have questioned whether or not Ala or LSU vs OSU would have been a close game.  Yes, it would have and OSU definitely wanted to play either for the NC.  OSU did give up alot of points in their bowl game but remember they were playing Stanford and Andrew Luck who will probably be the #1 pick in the NFL draft.  OSU would have scored on Alabama & LSU and Alabama & LSU would have scored on OSU.  Did Alabama or LSU really see an offense this past year as good as OSU?  Did OSU see a defense as good as Alabama/ LSU had this last year?  Alabama lost @ home to an outstanding LSU team in OT.  OSU lost on the road, blowing a 17 pt lead to an average Iowa State team.  For those of you who don't know, the game was played less than 24 hrs from the plane crash that killed 4 people which included the OSU womens head basketball coach and one of his asst coaches.  They did not use that as an excuse for losing the game.   Some of you think OSU didn't want any part of Alabama or LSU.  Well, you can't win the National Championship if you don't play for it.  Which would you rather tell your children, grandchildren etc, 1) I played for the National Championship in college football, even though we didn't win or 2) I played in the Motor City Bowl in college football?  (No offense to the Motor City Bowl, just making a point).   I would much rather play for the National Championship every year and lose than not play for it and end up in a different bowl game.  All the 1 loss teams have a legitimate reason for why they should have played LSU for the title.  If OSU doesn't lose @ Iowa St, it is a moot point and they are probably celebrating their 1st NC with a victory over LSU.  Side note:  Les Miles was @ OSU before taking the LSU job, then Gundy had made OSU better than win Miles was head coach.  All this to say, OSU wouldn't be afraid to play anyone and would welcome the chance, anywhere anytime.

Since: Feb 21, 2009
Posted on: February 14, 2012 1:10 pm

My preseason top 25 applied to postseason models

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bsp; For me the best scenario would be a 32 teams tourney where teams would face off in the minor bowl for the first 2 round and then in major bowls for the last 3 round. the rose and sugar bowl could be use to play the regional finals and the orange to play the championship game. like i said i would split the field in to 16 seeded brackets one in the east and the other in the west, the east final would be played in the sugar and the west in the rose. In my scenario the ''meineke car care bowl would be a first round matchup '' that would give minor bowl some interest and every top 25 teams would draw in the field, after the 7 at-large team would be added then the #1 and #2 team would split as #1 in each brackets #3 and #4 would become #2 in both brackets, #5 and #6 would become #3 in each brackets. In my system people would love to watch just like the march madness and the minor bowl would draw bigger croud and the most important point no one would talk about the S.O.S to determine who deserves to play in the championship game.

Since: Jan 10, 2012
Posted on: February 14, 2012 12:37 pm

My preseason top 25 applied to postseason models

Teres Minor - I find it funny how a team from your conference was awarded the chance to play for the NC a few years back when they lost their last game before the bowl season started.  I believe that was the Conference Championship game.  So you must mean that Oklahoma didn't deserve to play in that game either.  Don't pick and choose your battles and only use examples that help your case.  Stay consistent.  Besides, do you really think that OK State wanted any of that Alabama team? 

Since: May 21, 2009
Posted on: February 14, 2012 11:38 am

Dodd, you really are dumber than you look

5 SEC teams in BCS bowls? I mean Im an SEC fan and I even realize thats more defintely not going to happen and quite frankly rather stupid.....WTF is this crap??

Since: Feb 14, 2012
Posted on: February 14, 2012 11:30 am

Useful Exercise

Dennis, this is a useful exercise. From looking at the matchups, it is clear that the unseeded Plus One is the best way of preserving the best of the bowl system with the certainty of a playoff. If the bowls are allowed to reinstate their conference affiliations as they had before the BCS, they could play the games on New Years. Then after the smoke clears 1 and 2 could face off in a Super Bowl-like championship game in two weeks (preferably on a weekend). Everyone's a winner under this plan.  No arbitrary and weird BCS bowl match-ups and damn little controversy. The players have a tangible goal ie every SEC player can shoot for the Sugar Bowl,and the best team will be settled on the field. The Delaney proposal is a red-herring and will NOT preserve his beloved Rose Bowl.

Since: Aug 11, 2011
Posted on: February 14, 2012 11:28 am

My preseason top 25 applied to postseason models

Although not perfect, the BCS was made to match #1 and #2. Previous matchups  had been few and far between. I too, prefer a version of a playoff and would be pleased with a plus-1 model, keeping in mind that the objective is to match the top 2 teams for a championship game. There have been multiple complaints that No. 3 deserved to be in the championship game and that could be true but seldom has there been complaints that the No. 5 team should have been champions. If the top four are in, the best team should consistantly be included although an occasional exception could happen (a la 1977 5th place Notre Dame jumping all the way to 1st after beating Texas). 

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