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Gordon elected to Hall; Santo misses again

Posted on: December 8, 2008 1:33 pm
 

LAS VEGAS -- The Hall of Fame Veterans' Committee pitched another shutout in reviewing candidates who played in the post-World War II era, failing to cast the requisite number of votes for, among others, Ron Santo, Jim Kaat, Tony Oliva, Gil Hodges and Joe Torre.

One man screened by the committee reviewing players whose careers started before 1943, however, made the cut: Former Yankees and Cleveland infielder Joe Gordon becomes the first member of the Hall's Class of 2008. Election results were announced Monday morning at baseball's winter meetings.

The power-hitting Gordon, who played second base between 1938 and 1950 except for two seasons lost to World War II (1944 and 1945), batted .268 lifetime with 253 home runs. He was the 1942 AL MVP and a nine-time All-Star. He played on six World Series teams, five of whom won the championship.

As for Santo, whose near-misses over the years have been agonizing, he received 39 votes (60.9 percent) from the 64 living Hall of Fames, each of whom cast their ballots. A total of 75 percent is needed to induction into the Hall.

The current Hall of Famers are proving to be a tough crowd, pitching shutout after shutout in Veterans' Committee elections. However, it isn't as if they're not voting or casting blank ballots: All 64 living Hall of Famers voted and, according to Hall President Jeff Idelson, they cast an average of 3.33 votes per ballot. They were allowed to vote for between zero and four players.

Asked whether the current Hall of Famers simply don't consider anybody else worthy, Joe Morgan, vice-chairman of the National Baseball Hall of Fame, said he doesn't think that's the case.

"There are new people on the ballot each year, new people added," Morgan said. "Sometimes, maybe, they might take away from votes cast somewhere else. I can't speak for everyone but, speaking personally, I feel some guys out there belong in the Hall of Fame. I think all of the players do.

"The problem is, we can't find 75 percent who agree that one guy is a Hall of Famer, or that guy is a Hall of Famer."

Comments

Since: Dec 13, 2007
Posted on: December 8, 2008 8:49 pm
 

Gordon elected to Hall; Santo misses again

I can tell you who Joe Morgan didn't vote for and that's Gordon.  Morgan will be the first to tell you he is the only 2B worth being in the Hall.  Santo deserves to be in as does Buckner and maybe Kaat.  Buckner was a pure hitter who is remembered for a play he never should have been involved in.  Santo is a much more deserving candidate than Perez, Carter, Mazerowski, Gordon, etc........

There has to be some changes in this process.




Since: Mar 31, 2008
Posted on: December 8, 2008 3:03 pm
 

Gordon elected to Hall; Santo misses again

I think that this system although is not working the way we want it to, is effective because it is limiting the hall of fame to a small size. I say we can cut it down to 65% because some people are missing by 3-5% every year. Hodges deserves to be in as does Blylevyn, hopefully they get in this year.



Since: Oct 10, 2006
Posted on: December 8, 2008 2:21 pm
 

Gordon elected to Hall; Santo misses again

Sorry Sunshipball - but there were 2 committees - the one that reviewed pre WWII players was made up of writers and baseball historians. 

 

The other committee, the one that allegedly "shuts out other eras but their own" is made up of the Living HOF's - those are the people who have failed to elect anyone - led by the pompous Morgan and Schmidt




Since: Apr 11, 2008
Posted on: December 8, 2008 2:19 pm
 

Gordon elected to Hall; Santo misses again

How did Dick Allen only get 7 votes?  Am I missing something?   Its a joke that Santo, Allen, and Torre aren't in.  Kaat is also deserving.  Someone needs to get the VC straightned out, they are ruining the Hall by keeping Santo out, and almost voting Allie Reynolds in



Since: Jun 28, 2007
Posted on: December 8, 2008 2:19 pm
 

Gordon elected to Hall; Santo misses again

Torre's stats are marginally better that Carter's were and far worse than Perez's.  If Torre were really a catcher, he'd probably be in.  But well under half his career games are at catcher.  If Carter had played half his career at 1B and 3B, he wouldn't be in either.  Perez and Carter are borderline HOFers to begin with, and they have marginally better resumes than Torre. That explains why Torre isn't in.

Santo's numbers are the in same league as Perez, but he played quite a few less seasons.  He's also pretty borderline.  It doesn't seem unjust either way.  The fact that he played 3B suggest to me that he should probably be in, but it's certainly no great injustice that he is not.  One thing that hurts Santo is that, after being a great 3B for his first ten years, injuries turned him into a horrible defensive player for the last few years of his career.



Since: Jun 28, 2007
Posted on: December 8, 2008 2:13 pm
 

Gordon elected to Hall; Santo misses again

Okay, chisoxfan, how many of the living HOFers played with Gordon, who played in the 30s and 40s?  I'd hazard to say: very few.  Sort of disproves your theory that the voters "shut out other eras but their own."



Since: Mar 14, 2007
Posted on: December 8, 2008 1:52 pm
 

Gordon elected to Hall; Santo misses again

OH BTW, CentralNL.. amen about Morgan



Since: Mar 14, 2007
Posted on: December 8, 2008 1:51 pm
 

Gordon elected to Hall; Santo misses again

This is a ridiculously stupid process.  All these old hall of famers know is who they played with (and thus shut out other eras but their own), and they barely ever look at anyone objectively.  Not only that, but they seem to want to keep their class as exclusive as possible and thus shut out everyone who has a chance.  To be quite honest, these players simply do not have the knowledge of how great some players really were to be voting for anything.  Ron Santo is the 3rd best third baseman of all-time... he is a hall-of famer bar none, and how could Joe Torre possibly not be a hall of famer?? MVP, gold glove, 11-time allstar, .290+ career hitter, doesn't that put him way up the echelon of catchers?? Come on, freaking Gary Carter is in the Hall of Fame.  Are you freaking serious?  They are all idiots who elect guys like Tony perez who don't even deserve to sniff the hall... I don't know what a better answer to this is, but I know A) there are some snubs that need looked at again and I just named two and B) this does NOT work



Since: Sep 4, 2006
Posted on: December 8, 2008 1:46 pm
 

Gordon elected to Hall; Santo misses again

Morgan is a liar and a fink. He thinks that inviting new players into his club will make it less "exclusive" and reflect badly upon him as a result. Know what really reflects badly on you Joe? Being a pompous, ignorant ass during your television broadcasts on ESPN.


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