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Phillies involved in Cubs-Padres Peavy talks

Posted on: December 8, 2008 8:23 pm
Edited on: December 8, 2008 8:47 pm

LAS VEGAS -- The continued effort between San Diego and the Cubs to figure out a way to send ace Jake Peavy to Chicago has resulted in their engaging the Philadelphia Phillies as a potential third team to help facilitate a deal, has learned.

The potential trade remains complicated, and multiple sources cautioned that it might not get done with the Phillies. But those sources agreed Monday that the Padres and Cubs continue attempting to figure out a way to get it done, and the Padres' preference, as stated by general manager Kevin Towers earlier Monday, is to deal sooner rather than later.

Current talks center around the Cubs sending third-base prospect Josh Vitters, right-handed pitcher Kevin Hart and possibly veteran Jason Marquis, to the Padres in exchange for Peavy.

Any Phillies' involvement could wind up sending left-hander J.A. Happ, 26, the Phillies' third-round pick in the 2004 draft, to San Diego. The Padres and Phillies also have discussed catcher Chris Coste, according to sources.

The Padres currently are thin behind the plate and, as of now, would open the season with Nick Hundley catching.

The Padres are not exactly enamored at the prospect of obtaining Marquis but, then again, it appears, neither is anybody else. Sources say one of the hurdles the Padres and Cubs are attempting to clear is that in order to add Peavy's contract -- he's due $63 million over the next four years -- Chicago would have to clear some salary.

Marquis is due $9.875 million in 2009, the final year of his contract. Chicago is shopping Marquis and hopes to trade him, sources said, to clear room for Peavy. If the Cubs cannot, the Padres likely would take him and pay between $4 and $5 million of his salary, with the Cubs taking care of the rest.

What the Cubs would like to do is find a club that would relieve them of all of Marquis' salary, but right now that appears to be the impossible dream.

Other names that have been discussed between the Cubs and Padres include infielder Ronny Cedeno and pitcher Angel Guzman. The Cubs are leaning against dealing left-hander Sean Marshall, sources said.

It is not clear who would be going back to the Phillies -- and one source cautioned late Monday afternoon that Philadelphia's involvement in the talks well could be fleeting -- but they are known to have interest in Cubs infielder Mark De Rosa. The Phillies also are hoping to add an established veteran starting pitcher as protection in case negotiations with Jamie Moyer break down beyond repair.

The Padres and Cubs also have engaged Baltimore in the talks. In that scenario, sources say, the Cubs would send outfielder Felix Pie to the Orioles for pitcher Garrett Olson, then send Olson, VItters and a package of others that could include Hart and Cedeno to the Padres.


Since: Mar 14, 2008
Posted on: December 9, 2008 2:06 pm

Phillies involved in Cubs-Padres Peavy talks

forgive me because i'm not totally familiar with the phillies roster, but why don't the cubs send Jason Marquis to them if they are looking to protect themselves.  that way we get rid of Marquis and the phillies get a veteran pitcher, who they probably wouldn't even pay all of his salary, then the the phillies send a prospect or catcher to the padres.  the cubs can also do the swap with baltimore because i don't think felix pie is going to pan out, then we send garret olson to the padres along with kevin hart, ronny cedeno and josh vitters. that way we keep mark derosa and sean marshall, get rid of marquis' salary, and get Jake Peavy. 

then the starters are Carlos Zambrano, Rich Harden, Jake Peavy, Ted Lilly, and Ryan Dempster. the infield starters stay the same with Mike Fontenot getting more time with Cedeno gone and with micah hoffpauir getting some playing time and koyie hill as a backup to Soto. the outfield stays soriano in left, fukudome and johnson in center, then the free agent we sign in right. with keeping marshall we keep our bullpen intact and have him able to fill in for a start or able to switch up the rotation by putting a lefty in if we need him to, Smardzija, Gaudin, Gregg, Marmol, and Cotts. then maybe we call up a kid to take a bullpen spot or maybe sign a cheap veteran.  if the cubs don't find a deal they like for an outfielder then maybe platoon derosa and hoffpauir in the outfield with fontenot at 2nd when derosa's not there.  

Since: Dec 9, 2008
Posted on: December 9, 2008 1:29 pm

Phillies involved in Cubs-Padres Peavy talks

JesseJames, you're kidding, right?  anyone who follows ANYthing about baseball knows who jake peavy and rich harden are.  i don't think you can compare jordan in his prime to these guys, but it's still interesting. 

Since: Aug 28, 2006
Posted on: December 9, 2008 1:17 pm

Phillies involved in Cubs-Padres Peavy talks

You don't think Peavy/Harden is known by all who follow baseball?  You have to be joking.  These are the cream of the crop in MLB pitching.

Since: Oct 26, 2006
Posted on: December 9, 2008 1:04 pm

Phillies involved in Cubs-Padres Peavy talks

Despite prior seasons and the reputation, the Bank was in the middle of the pack for homeruns allowed, most stadiums in the NL central are much more a hitters paradise. I can't see the Phillies landing Peavy, but that might not be a bad thing, the additions of Santanna,Harden,Sabbathia, were all fruitless acquisitions. It is about a team and the team mentality, Ugly Joe was a very underated pickup, but performed great and should continue to do so. Happ and/or Carrasco should be worth the wait,unfortunatley I think ownership is going to sell the fans the idea of an outfield consisting of Jenkins,Werth,and Victorino-who knows they could surprise. I see the 2009 Phillies not even making the post-season(injuries might become a factor-that really wasn't last year). Utley was hurt bad for the 2nd half of last season but keep on playing, he'll miss the begining of '09, but should be money when he returns. If they try this outfield and it doesn't work they will make the appropiate changes in 2010 which is the year the Phillies will raise the trophy again, the arms will develop and hopefully good health is in the cards.

Since: Aug 13, 2006
Posted on: December 9, 2008 12:40 pm

Phillies involved in Cubs-Padres Peavy talks

I hope the Cubs get Peavy then we can listen all summer how great they are, then come October they will wet themselves and not win a single playoff game...Cant wait...

Since: Dec 9, 2008
Posted on: December 9, 2008 12:16 pm

Phillies involved in Cubs-Padres Peavy talks

Crpltnnl1--Don't post unless you have an idea what you're talking about. Peavy not only won the Cy Young award in '07 but did so by winning the triple crown...wins, ERA, and strikeouts...his second ERA title. Even last year, with a 10-11 record, he posted a 2.85 ERA...poor run support. Your aunt has the same GED as you might have. Miserable losers? Only last year did the Padres suck...the prior three years they won the division twice and fell short ('07) in a winner-take-all playin game vs. Colorado, who were hot and went to the World Series...beating the Phillies if I recall. Peavy is a true ace...kinda like San Diego's own Cole Hamels.

Since: Aug 19, 2006
Posted on: December 9, 2008 12:13 pm

Phillies involved in Cubs-Padres Peavy talks

Vitters is a top prospect....I do not think the Cubs should sacrifice their future for pitching they really do not need.

Since: Dec 9, 2008
Posted on: December 9, 2008 12:08 pm

Phillies involved in Cubs-Padres Peavy talks


Don't trade Happ. he will be the replacement for Moyer in the future. he has shown the ability to pitch well. Give him a chance. We can survive until May if   (C H)  is out that long


Gus Mandracchia


Since: Jul 14, 2007
Posted on: December 9, 2008 12:05 pm

Phillies involved in Cubs-Padres Peavy talks


Yeah, I know the baseball names, obviously you don't................

Since: Feb 8, 2007
Posted on: December 9, 2008 11:34 am

Phillies involved in Cubs-Padres Peavy talks

I'd take De Rosa. He's a nice fill for Utley for a month or two. It'll even let Utley take his time and get back to 100%.

I'm curious about Jason Donald, though. I'd like to see what he's got. Imagine they send another Ryne Sandberg to Chicago for Ivan DeJesus. Ugh.

As for Coste leaving, he's the kind of guy that will get big applause every time he comes back to Philly. Never a boo. Still, we're going nuts here to see what Lou Marson is capable of.

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