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Padres, Cubs progress in Peavy talks

Posted on: December 9, 2008 9:48 pm
Edited on: December 10, 2008 2:17 am
 

LAS VEGAS -- Jake Peavy may or may not have been singing Go Cubs Go in a bar here after attending the Brooks and Dunn concert with his buddy, Houston Astro Roy Oswalt, the other night.

But after more talks Tuesday between the Padres and Chicago Cubs, Peavy's long, strange trip out of San Diego appears to be moving along to a place where Peavy will be able to memorize those lyrics for good.

The Padres and Cubs were scheduled to hold another session of talks later Tuesday evening, according to San Diego general manager Kevin Towers, who said he "feels probably better today at this time than yesterday at this time" regarding the progress of the trade talks.

"We've made some progress," Towers said. "We're just not there yet."

He described the Cubs as having some work to do. Though he wasn't specific, sources with knowledge of the talks say the Cubs must move payroll to take on the $63 million Peavy is owed over the next four years.

Specifically, they're attempting to move pitcher Jason Marquis and his $9.875 million salary owed for 2009.

Though Towers said the Padres and Cubs haven't completely settled on the pieces Chicago would send to San Diego, there is general agreement. Third base prospect Josh Vitters certainly would be in the package, which also is expected to include right-handed pitcher Kevin Hart and possibly pitcher Angel Guzman. Shortstop Ronny Cedeno is also a possibility.

A third team almost certainly would need to be involved, and possibly, according to Towers, a fourth club.

Philadelphia, which could end up acquiring infielder Mark DeRosa from the Cubs and sending pitcher J.A. Happ to the Padres, remains one possibility.

Baltimore, which would sent pitcher Garret Olson to the Cubs for outfielder Felix Pie -- and then the Cubs would pass Olson along to the Padres -- remains another possibility.

The Cubs were said to have been approached by another club -- or more -- Tuesday involving players that could be in the Peavy deal. That could mean either Marquis or DeRosa, or both.

Another twist, that likely will mean more delays if this deal is to be completed: The Padres are looking to pick one player -- and perhaps more -- in Thursday morning's Rule 5 draft and, as a result, they may need to clear some space on their 40-man roster to make room for some of the players in a potential Peavy trade.

That presents a scenario in which the Cubs and Padres could agree to a deal in a day or two but delay announcing it until Friday, Saturday or later.

Towers said he believes Hendry has the power to move now in personnel decisions despite the Cubs' impending sale.

"My impression is he has the ability to move if he is comfortable with what he's giving up," Towers said.

Hendry said on Monday that he is operating with no restrictions while the impending sale progresses.

Comments

Since: Aug 25, 2006
Posted on: December 10, 2008 11:05 am
 

Padres, Cubs progress in Peavy talks

Peavy is not a stud, he's at best an average pitcher. He over acvhieved the year he won the Cy Young. Why do you think teams have not been in a trading war for him. He's an average pitcher that's why.



Since: Dec 3, 2006
Posted on: December 10, 2008 9:42 am
 

Padres, Cubs progress in Peavy talks

I am a total CUB fan and Peavy is a stud am I sorry to see DeRosa go? a little but Padre fans have got to be livid about losing Peavy

This is gonna be an awesome deal if and when it happens.




Since: Aug 21, 2006
Posted on: December 10, 2008 9:19 am
 

Padres, Cubs progress in Peavy talks

First of all, Theriot is an acceptable leadoff man.  He gets on base more than DeRosa.  I'm not sure what they will do for second base, especially because Cedeno is likely moving in this trade too.  DeRosa's bat is far from irreplaceable.  If they enhance the bat they put in center and get a better glove at second (DeRosa was a league average defensive 2nd baseman), they should be able to offset the loss of DeRosa.  Peavy is an ace.  He will give them well over 200 innings of elite pitching.  This is will generate far more wins than they will lose with DeRosa. 



Since: Aug 21, 2006
Posted on: December 10, 2008 8:42 am
 

Padres, Cubs progress in Peavy talks

DeRosa is a fairly valuable player.  He plays a passable second base and an OK outfield.  He doesn't hit well enough to be a corner outfielder on a good team, but he hits more than well enough to play second.  I like him.  That being said, a good defensive second baseman with an average second baseman's bat will cancel out losing him.  Peavy is an elite pitcher.  If you are looking at wins to measure a pitcher's ability, you need to rethink things a bit.  Wins are as dependent on hitting and defense as they are on pitching.  Things that measure a pitcher's ability are things like walk rate, line drive, ground ball, fly ball percentages, strikeout rate,  pitches per batter, and swing and miss rate.  Wins are one of the least accurate measure of a pitcher's ability.  Even ERA and WHIP are bad statistics in that they are somewhat dependent on defense and random chance.  Peavy scores well by nearly every valid measure of pitching effectiveness.  He is a true ace and a perennial Cy Young candidate. 



Since: Oct 26, 2007
Posted on: December 10, 2008 7:54 am
 

Padres, Cubs progress in Peavy talks

Jake Peavy isn't just another starter. He is a stud ace who is one year removed from winning the Cy Young. When he has an adequate team behind him he can be dominating. Last year he had a barely mediocre team behind him and he was .500. I can't think of any teams in either league that don't benefit from having Peavy on their staff and the Cubs are lucky if they can land him for basically prospects, utility, and role players. Believe me, I am not his agent- just a long time Cubs fan who can't believe this good fortune is actually happening.



Since: Oct 26, 2007
Posted on: December 10, 2008 7:48 am
 

Padres, Cubs progress in Peavy talks

I don't understand how a team doesn't benefit from the addition of a pitcher of Jake Peavy's stature.He is a stud ace who just won the Cy Young the year before last. Last year he was .500 with a mediocre team. How can it not be a good move  for the Cubs as long as they don't give up half the team? Trading utility players and prospects for an ace is a heck of a deal.



Since: Aug 21, 2006
Posted on: December 10, 2008 7:43 am
 

Padres, Cubs progress in Peavy talks

Yeah, DeRosa's UZR as a 2nd baseman was awful (-4.2) last year.  Not Jeter bad, but still pretty bad.  Theriot is a better leadoff man than DeRosa. Theriot's OBP is higher, but his Slugging percentage is lower than DeRosa's.  Peavy should offset Dempster's inevitiable return to the ground.  Second base is such a key defensive position so even a mediocre hitter with a good glove will negate the loss of DeRosa.  Baltimore has shown with the Freel trade that they can be robbed, so maybe they can get Roberts from Baltimore and Peavy in the same trade.  Also, the Cubs do not want Abreu.  Yes, he can hit, but he is a terrible outfielder.  (UZR of -25.2)    Everything he gets with his bat he loses with his glove.  They are better off running the platoon they ran last year.  Of course, the Freel trade indicates such an extreme level of organizational incompetence by Baltimore that maybe the Cubs can steal Luke Scott from Baltimore too. 



Since: Nov 9, 2006
Posted on: December 10, 2008 7:35 am
 

Padres, Cubs progress in Peavy talks

DeRosa is expendable - has been a really valuable player but he is in the last year of his contract.   Fontenot adds speed and a LH bat.  Too get a pitcher of Peavy's talant, it is necessary to give up some talent.  Vitters is the centerpiece  and I would assume Cedeno since Greene was traded.   This trade may have been completed but may not be announced until Friday or Saturday due to San Diego's 40 man roster and the rule 5 draft on Thursday which San Diego is expected to draft a player with their early pick...




Since: Nov 9, 2008
Posted on: December 10, 2008 4:00 am
 

Padres, Cubs progress in Peavy talks

I'm all for the Cubs working hard to get Peavy, but Mark DeRosa is an extremely valuable utility man. The Cubs should be careful and think things through before including him in this deal.




Since: Dec 28, 2007
Posted on: December 10, 2008 3:45 am
 

Padres, Cubs progress in Peavy talks

The Padres fire sale is officially on. The people of San Diego deserve a competitive team not a bunch of rookies and old washed up players. The Padres new stadium is going to a waste of space next year.


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