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Rickey, Rice and immortality

Posted on: January 12, 2009 2:16 pm

No disrespect to Rickey Henderson, who is a first-ballot Hall of Famer in anybody's book, but the big story on Monday was the election of former Boston slugger Jim Rice into baseball's museum.

Everybody knew Henderson would be voted in, though I must admit, I thought his vote total was a little low. Henderson was named on 94.8 percent of the ballots. As for that other 5.2 percent who didn't vote for him, I'm not sure what game they were watching over the past 20 or so years. Henderson indisputably is the greatest, most versatile leadoff man in the game's history.

Rice eked in on his last year of eligibility on the ballot with 76.4 percent of the vote (players on the ballot need 75 percent for enshrinement). It's been a long, agonizing wait for Rice, but it doesn't matter now. Whether a guy gets elected to Cooperstown in his first year of eligibility, eighth or 15th, he's still a Hall of Famer.

I've thought Rice was a Hall of Famer ever since I first started voting 10 years ago, and I'm glad he's finally in. Maybe he wasn't brilliant over 20 years, but for the decade or so during which he was at his best, there's no question he was one of the most dominant players of his era. He was the 1978 American League Most Valuable Player, and he finished among the top five in AL MVP voting on five other occasions.

Whether others didn't vote for him because they viewed his Fenway Park numbers as skewed, whether they had run-ins with a player most people would put on the All-Jerk team or what, I'm not sure. But any way you cut it, Rice deserves to be in Cooperstown.

And now, come July, he will.

Category: MLB

Since: Dec 28, 2008
Posted on: January 19, 2009 1:51 am

Rickey, Rice and immortality

LOL...Rice played in four more seasons than Belle and he had the same errors...

Facts about Belle (and I hate the guy):

He finished in the top 3 for MVP (3) times...

He finished in the top 10 for MVP (5) times...

5 x All Star / 5 x Silver Slugger / 381 Homers / 1239 Ribbies / .295 average

Facts about Jim Rice (I love the guy):

8 x All Star / 2 x Silver Slugger / 1978 MVP / 382 Homers / 1451 Ribbies / .298 average

- Belle is the same as Rice and Rice does NOT belong in the Hall, period.  Since you have such a fixation with Belle on 'roids (which I agree with you on), how did Rickey get in?  So, Mac, Canseco, Giambi, they did 'roids...but Rickey didn't?

Since: Dec 28, 2008
Posted on: January 19, 2009 1:37 am

Rickey, Rice and immortality

I almost forgot...

Career .300+ average?  No.

There are lots of players that are "dominant for so long"...what the hell does that mean anyway?  Lots of players are good players for 5-6 years...some are the best in baseball for 5-6 years...they don't go to the Hall unless they have the numbers.  Do you know how many players would be in the Hall of Fame just because they "were dominant for so long"...garbage.  I can name some of them for you if you like...

Thurman Munson:  7 x All Star / 1970 Rookie of the Year / 1976 AL MVP / 3 x Gold Glove Winner / .292 career ave. - Not in the Hall of Fame

Roger Maris:  4 x All Star / 1960 AL MVP / 1961 AL MVP / 1960 Gold Glove Winner / Broke Ruth's record w/o 'roids - Not in the Hall of Fame

Don Mattingly:  6 x All Star / 1985 AL MVP / 9 x Gold Glove / 3 x Silver Slugger / .307 career average - Not in the Hall of Fame

Fred Lynn:  9 x All Star / 1975 Rookie of the Year / 1975 AL MVP / 4 x Gold Glove - Not in the Hall of Fame (played w/ Rice)

Elston Howard:  9 x All Star / 1958 Babe Ruth Award / 1963 MVP / 2 x Gold Glove - Not in the Hall of Fame 

Since: Dec 28, 2008
Posted on: January 19, 2009 1:23 am

Rickey, Rice and immortality

Ugh.  What a joke.  I am not even going to address Rickey and his steroid abuse...but Rice?  Why is he in the Hall?  Now, let me begin with...I love Jim Rice.  I loved him when Boston fans were calling him "Uncle Ben" and thinking their racist remarks were funny.  I thought the guy was a great player and a great hitter...but sorry guys, he does not belong in the Hall.  What are you going to tell me?  He was "so dominant for so long"...what a bunch of subjective crap.  That is like NESN's spin on "clutch players"...yea his average sucks, but "he is so clutch"...give me a break.  Let's look at the facts.

Hall of Fame

500 home runs?  No.

400 home runs?  No.

3000 hits?  No.

Come on, he has to have 2500 hits?  No.

We he did win an MVP in '78 (yippee)...

Try comparing Jim Rice to Albert Belle.  I think the results will astound you.

Since: Mar 20, 2007
Posted on: January 13, 2009 3:08 pm
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Since: Jul 17, 2008
Posted on: January 13, 2009 3:12 am

Rickey, Rice and immortality

I would keep Rickey out just because of his speech when he stole that base...."I am the greatest"....j/k.  He was awesome

Since: Dec 17, 2008
Posted on: January 12, 2009 9:15 pm

Rickey, Rice and immortality

The guy is a great player but an arrogant sod...<o:p></o:p>

Since: Aug 24, 2006
Posted on: January 12, 2009 8:52 pm

Rickey, Rice and immortality

Rice being voted into the Haii was overdue, For about 5 years he was the best player in the American league.  Henderson was a very very good leadoff hitter, great is all in the intrepertation. In my opinion, Maury Wills and Lou Brock were the greatest leadoff hitters of all time. Henderson's throwing arm was below average plus he was a grade A jerk.

Since: May 9, 2007
Posted on: January 12, 2009 8:00 pm

Rickey, Rice and immortality

I love it!!!   A Yankee fan happy for a Red Sox player.   That right there shows the respect the Jim Rice had in his playing days.

He was a "clean player"  that in his prime would rip the cover off the ball.  I'm happy he made it also.  If he played today and was dirty

He could of been giving Barry a run for his money on the crown.   As for the Yankee fan who is happy.  My hat goes off to you.  You not onlyshow lot's of class, but you show a true love for the game.  Oh!!  I'm A Red Sox fan in case everybody is wondering, and I also like players for how they play the game rather than what uniforn they have.  


Since: Aug 20, 2006
Posted on: January 12, 2009 7:20 pm

Congrats Jim, it's about time!!!!

Wow, 14 years of HOF voters having their heads crammed up their collective behinds! I am very happy for Jim, even as a Yankees fan, because first and foremost I am a fan of the game. He played with class and dignity, played hard every day, never got in trouble and oh yeah......he was one helluva ballplayer too!! So glad these guys finally put their personal dislike for him aside and put him in Cooperstown where he belongs.

Since: Jan 1, 2007
Posted on: January 12, 2009 6:40 pm

Rickey, Rice and immortality

Nice post.  And I agree with your sentiments.  I've thought Jim Rice was HOF all this time -- he just couldn't quite get enough votes for some odd reason.  Your post is especially meangingful coming from a Yankees fan.  Its easy to appreciate our teams headache-causers, but alot tougher to publicly acknowlege it.  Nice classy post pjhokie.....

Rickey Henderson SHOULD have been a 1st ballot entry.  Unanimously, if you ask me.

Now lets get Andre Dawson into Hall, too, where he belongs.  (He used to 'own' my Phillies).

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