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A Rose is a Rose is. ...

Posted on: July 26, 2009 8:16 pm

COOPERSTOWN, N.Y. -- A dominant question here for the past 20 years has been the specter of Pete Rose's status, and there appears to be no end in sight.

Commissioner Bud Selig deflected a question at the All-Star Game about possibly giving the banned Rose another hearing, saying his status remains "under review."

Here in Cooperstown this weekend, some wondered whether the number of Hall-worthy players stained by steroids could actually help Rose's candidacy in coming years.

"I don't know," Hank Aaron said. "I think the Pete Rose thing is a little different than the steroids. To me it is. From what I gather, from commissioner to commissioner before Bud Selig was in, they think that the [anti-gambling] rules were so obvious on the [clubhouse] doors. I don't know how they eliminate that, really.

"If I had been Pete, I think I would have asked for forgiveness many, many years ago. And I've got a feeling that this country, the most forgiving country in the world, people would say, 'Hey, everybody makes a mistake.' He made a mistake, let's go on with something else.

"I would certainly like to see him in. He belongs in."

Is it too late for forgiveness?

"His career has been one that, I think, he needs to be dead in the middle of all of this," Aaron said. "I know Pete, he's a friend of mine. I sometimes feel sorry that he hasn't made it yet."

One of Rose's ex-teammates, Hall of Famer Tony Perez, definitely misses him.

"Pete should be in the Hall of Fame," Perez said. "I always say he should b in the Hall of Fame."

Likes: It was a very emotional Dave Stewart who watched his boyhood friend, Rickey Henderson, be inducted into the Hall of Fame on Sunday. Stewart, the longtime major league pitcher, called it "one of the proudest moments in my life. I feel like my brother is going in." ... Former manager Sparky Anderson sitting next to former Yankees great Whitey Ford on the stage during Hall of Fame induction ceremonies Sunday. Sparky, Whitey, the shock of white hair atop each man's head ... perfect. ... The legendary Stan Musial was missed again -- he hasn't been able to travel here the last couple of years -- but they rolled a video of him playing Take Me Out to the Ballgame on his harmonica from several inductions ago and it was very well done. ... Wonder how Jim Rice would have done as a football player? The University of Nebraska offered him a scholarship back in the day. ... Former broadcaster Tony Kubek gave a very nice speech accepting the Ford Frick Broadcaster's Award. Among other things, he told Hank Aaron, "You've overcome, just like Jackie Robinson, Martin Luther King and President Barack Obama." Kubek also said of Cooperstown, "This place is magical. Somebody put this here with a purpose." ... And finally, congratulations to friend Nick Peters of the Sacramento Bee, inducted into the writer's wing of the Hall. Peters, recounting his days when he was named as Alaska's Sportswriter of the Year, quipped that the best thing about being in Alaska was that he could see Russia from his house.

Dislikes: Not here in Cooperstown, on Hall of Fame weekend. Pure baseball, and a terrific place.

Rock 'N' Roll Lyric of the Day:

"Oh baby, don't it feel like heaven right now
"Don't it feel like something from a dream
"Yeah, I've never known nothing quite like this
"Don't it feel like tonight might never be again
"We know better than to try and pretend
"Baby, no one could have ever told me about this"

-- Tom Petty, The Waiting


Since: Aug 15, 2006
Posted on: July 30, 2009 12:35 pm

A Rose is a Rose is. ...

Pete Rose committed the worst possible sin in sports he gambled on games that he was involved in, either as a player, coach or manager.  The biggest sin was as a manager, where he had direct control of the outcome.  I know some say he bet on his team to win, while that is true, there were games he didn't place bets on too.  Think about it, if he didn't place a bet on his team, it had to be because he didn't think, or knew they were not going to win.  If they were winning and a bookie called and said hey, I need the Reds to lose or I'm calling your chit then Rose leaves a pitcher in one inning too long, puts on a hit and run when not needed, any sort of things that could have caused his team to lose.  How many players were traded to help the bookies with other teams? 

We (I) don't know the answers to all of these questions but I wouldn't trust him and his answers.  Pete is where he needs to be right now,  outside looking in.  If Pete Belongs then so does "Shoeless" Joe Jackson, and over the years the sport has said no to him, even though his stats say he did nothing to throw the 1919 World Series. 

Since: May 25, 2009
Posted on: July 27, 2009 2:40 pm

A Rose is a Rose is. ...

 The dude lied about it for 20 years, but I am supposed to believe that he didn't affect the outcome of one single game for his own financial benefit.

Sounds just like steriod users. They lie about it for as long as they can get away it and the use of steriods definetly affects the outcome of games. Bigger numbers on the field mean bigger numbers in contracts which means financial benefit.

With your arguement about Rose then no steriod user can ever get in the Hall of Fame.

I personally believe Rose belongs in the Hall of Fame. There is no evidence or accusations that he gambled on baseball while playing the game, only when managing. His Hall of Fame credentials are based on his playing career and there is absolutely no doubt that he was a Hall of Famer.

Since: Feb 11, 2009
Posted on: July 27, 2009 8:03 am

A Rose is a Rose is. ...

I disagree. A gambling scandal is the worst thing that could happen to a sport. Players, coaches, or managers on the take, possibly throwing games, makes the sport the equivalent of professional wrestling. The dude lied about it for 20 years, but I am supposed to believe that he didn't affect the outcome of one single game for his own financial benefit. Or more than likely, to avoid having his legs broken to cover his losses. He doesn't deserve to be in the hall. Everyone knows how good he was, including me, he doesnt need to have a bust in cooperstown to prove it. By him not being there, it sets the example to all other players, coaches, managers, that gambling is not acceptable.

Since: Jan 8, 2009
Posted on: July 27, 2009 12:23 am

A Rose is a Rose is. ...

No question Pete Rose should be in the Hall. He played the game everyday hard nose and clean. If anyone of the steriod era players get in before Rose it will be a shame!!!

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