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Angels talk Halladay, Lackey, Bay -- not Holliday

Posted on: December 7, 2009 6:48 pm
Edited on: December 7, 2009 7:20 pm

INDIANAPOLIS -- Owner Arte Moreno said nearly a month ago that free agent outfielder Matt Holliday will not be an option for the Angels, and GM Tony Reagins said here Monday that the club's position on Holliday remains "unchanged."

So congratulations to Holliday, who ranks as one of the precious few players in whom the Angels are not interested. Apparently, Moreno did not enjoy doing business last winter with Holliday's agent, Scott Boras, when the Angels made a losing bid for slugger Mark Teixeira (who wound up signing with the Yankees, of course). 

Otherwise, count slugging outfielder Jason Bay as one of their targets -- as Moreno also said last month -- free agent pitcher John Lackey and, especially, Toronto ace Roy Halladay. The Angels remain highly engaged in attempting to find a way to land him.

While Reagins would not confirm individual names after arriving here late Monday afternoon, neither did he dismiss anybody out of hand -- other than Holliday. Several sources confirmed the Angels' varying degrees of interest in the other players to Monday.

Reagins, one of the last GMs to check into the hotel here at 5:20 p.m. Monday, was greeted by a phalanx of television cameras from Japanese stations in anticipation of the Angels' possible interest in free agent designated hitter Hideki Matsui.

"That was kind of surprising. ... He's a person we've talked about, along with several others," Reagins said. "We have a player, Vladimir Guerrero, who fits the same role. There are a lot of scenarios out there for us."

Guerrero, however, also is a free agent and the Angels' degree of interest in bringing him back seems limited.

"He's in our thought process," Reagins said. "That will be developing as well. He's going to see what options are out there for him."

Compared to the others, Guerrero appears in the Angels' afterthought process. Their top target clearly is one of these three players, probably in this order:

-- Halladay. Reagins declined to address the ace pitcher specifically because, of course, clubs can be fined for tampering while discussing players on opposing teams -- even if the club is attempting to trade the player, as the Blue Jays are Halladay.

"Starting pitching is difficult to come by," Reagins said. "Right now we have four real good starting pitchers [Ervin Santana, Jered Weaver, Joe Saunders and Scott Kazmir]. We have three or four others who could land in the fifth spot. We feel good about the rotatoin as it stands right now, and if we need to make adjustments, we will."

-- Lackey. The Angels are scheduled to meet with Steve Hilliard, Lackey's agent, later tonight.

"We have several options and Lackey is one of them," Reagins said. "There are opportunities we've been working on leading up to these meetings."

-- Bay. Several clubs are after one of the premier bats on the market this winter, including the Red Sox, Mariners, Angels and others.

"He's a guy we find appealing," Reagins said. "We'll see where it takes us."

As for losing leadoff man Chone Figgins, who is on the verge of signing a four-year, $36 million deal with Seattle this week, Reagins said "we felt our offer was strong. We thought it was fair and reasonable." He declined to say what it was.


Since: Aug 8, 2007
Posted on: December 8, 2009 12:42 pm

Angels talk Halladay, Lackey, Bay -- not Holliday

"The Angels have successfully brought up more great players from their own farm system than any other team has." - see the Minnesota Twins. They have brought up Cy Young and MVP players, over the past 5 years. The Angels haven't even come close to the Twins farm system.

Since: Dec 21, 2006
Posted on: December 8, 2009 11:21 am

Angels talk Halladay, Lackey, Bay -- not Holliday

isnt this a business??  i mean, i know it the "national pasttime" and the teams "owe" it to the fans to compete, but when push comes to shove, isnt this a business??  when a player is traded, nontendered or waived, dont both sides tell us that it is a business?? 

would you build a team which loses $100 million, but wins the world series?

baseball may have put itself into this position, but the owners of the "small" market teams have found a way to exploit the system and make TONS of cash for themselves. 

this is america, after all...... 

Since: Nov 20, 2009
Posted on: December 8, 2009 11:12 am

Angels talk Halladay, Lackey, Bay -- not Holliday

Have you watched Guerrero run?  His knees are shot.  His power numbers are way down.  He's nowhere close to what he was.  No GM in their right mind will pay for a big contract for him.

All you have to do is watch him play to know he's one slippery floor away from IR.

Since: Sep 17, 2008
Posted on: December 8, 2009 9:13 am

Angels talk Halladay, Lackey, Bay -- not Holliday

From an article last week.  Comments from Scott Boras and John Henry (owner of Red Sox) about the issue of supposedly small market teams not spending on payroll.  I would say these are 2 guys who are experts on the subject.  Turns out Red Sox aren't a big market team, just a teams that makes a lot of revenue.  Also turns out that those whiny little fans from small market teams are getting the funds they need to be competitive, but their owners choose to put it into their pockets and not into the team.  What Henry calls for is a new system that forces a minimum payroll and no more revenue sharing, but rather a payroll tax so money streams directly from large payroll teams to small payroll teams so that small payroll teams can reach the payroll minimums.  Basically, Henry is saying to all those small market teams; enough pocketing my money, get off your ass and start spending on payroll to be competitive or sell your team to a guy who wants to win and not just make millions on the backs of the other owners.

"Change is needed and that is reflected by the fact that over a billion dollars have been paid to seven chronically uncompetitive teams, five of whom have had baseball’s highest operating profits," Henry responded in an e-mail. "Who, except these teams, can think this is a good idea?"

Henry added, "While the Red Sox are in the 16th largest media market we’ve found a way to be very competitive even though we are funding other teams. At the end of the day, the small market clubs still cannot begin to compete with the Yankees and have a very hard time competing with the teams that are struggling to pay them so much. Consequently, a system that directly impacts competition has to replace the current system, that hoped to, but ultimately did not cure competitive imbalances."

About $400 million – 34 percent of each team's net local revenue – will be distributed to small market teams this year. Most of that percentage comes from the Yankees, Red Sox, Mets, and other high-revenue teams.

"We've seen a number of teams that are just sitting back," Boras told the Globe at the General Manager's meetings in Chicago last month. "We have clubs who aren't successful getting $80 million before they ever sell a ticket. The question is always going to be in the end, what are they doing with that money? For most of them, they're paying off their debt to purchase the franchise. So they become owners, debt-free but they have not done a lot to contribute to the success of the game. Those are the things as an industry, certainly the fans have to look at it and realize that kind of revenue is available. The other part of it is I think we've proven time and time again that investment in players produces revenue streams and success points for franchises. Even in an economy where many businesses are struggling in our industry, as I said last year, we've been able to keep revenues at a record level."

Since: Sep 17, 2008
Posted on: December 8, 2009 8:33 am

Angels talk Halladay, Lackey, Bay -- not Holliday

Enough whining about big market small market Hoya.  At least you should learn some facts before you do.  Without a doubt there are teams that make more money than other teams, but don't kid yourself believing that the discrepancy is so large that it creates massive competitive disadvantages.  Educate yourself before you speak.  MLB has revenue sharing that has doled out millions of dollars to these small market teams each year.  No one knows the exact numbers because MLB does not have to publish them, but reports from repsected sources like Forbes and Wall St Journal have reported numbers such as: Yankees contribute as much as $75 million into the revenue sharing each year and teams like Florida get out of revenue sharing as much as $35 million each year. 

Forbes also reports that teams like Florida, Colorado, Tampa, Brewers, and Pittsburgh have some of the highest annual Operating Incomes in the sport.  This means that they are hoarding all their revenue and not spending it on things like payroll.  Take the Marlins, Forbes reported that their Operating Income was over $30 Million in 2007.  That could have bought a free agent or 2 or allowed them to hold onto guys like Beckett. 

So get off your whiny little horse and start realizing that your issue is with your team owners and not with the system.  Any team in baseball could afford a big time free agent, it's just a matter of if they are willing to pay for it.  Some owners are in the game because they see the financial opportunity of an MLB franchise and others in it to win.  And that is the primary difference between the teams who are active on the free agent market and those that are not. 

Big Brad
Since: Jul 3, 2009
Posted on: December 8, 2009 12:57 am
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Since: Oct 18, 2009
Posted on: December 7, 2009 10:18 pm

Angels talk Halladay, Lackey, Bay -- not Holliday

Gotta love how one team who's mentioned in being interested in Roy Halladay, John Lackey and Jason Bay is the Angels. I mean, who wouldn't know this? They are one of the big market teams in baseball, after all. The other teams you can throw into the mix are the Yankees, Red Sox, Tigers, Mets, Phillies, Cardinals, Dodgers and maybe the Giants. Well, I should take this back. Every team would be interested in adding one or more of these guys to their team, but there are only a select few who can actually afford it and will spend the money to do so. It's why baseball has become a joke over the years. What amazes me to a degree is how long the Blue Jays have been able to hold onto Halladay. Their fans had to figure that he'd be gone one day since the Jays can't afford to keep him in Toronto for his entire career, which really is a shame. The Jays decided to hold off on trading him so the fans could see him for an extra couple of months, but now those same fans know he's gone. It's not a matter of if, but a matter of when. What might be even more sad is Toronto fans know the young prospects they trade him for are 95 percent guaranteed to hit the road some day as well via trade or free agency since they won't have the money to keep him out of a big market like Boston, New York, Philadelphia or Los Angeles.

Since: Jan 2, 2007
Posted on: December 7, 2009 8:40 pm

Angels talk Halladay, Lackey, Bay -- not Holliday

Two things

One -- If the reason Arte Moreno doesn't have interest in Holliday is because he'd have to deal with Scott Boras and his slimy ways, I'd like to hear Moreno come right out and say it publicly.  The only way to get rid of scumbags like Boras is to make players realize that they may end up losing out on some bidders because he represents them.

Two -- If I had told anyone five years ago that when Vlad Guerrero became a free agent at the end of his Angels contract he'd be no better than the third most wanted outfielder, everyone would have said I was crazy.  I know injuries have slowed down Vlad the Impaler, but I have to wonder if there's something more to it.  Just a couple of years ago he was the most feared slugger or, at worst second or third on a list including Albert Pujols, Manny Ramirez, Alex Rodriguez, and David Ortiz.  What has happened to the bat of Guerrero?  I haven't heard any named or unnamed sources even say he was on their inquiry, let alone, shopping list.

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