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Dawson yes, but no Alomar?

Posted on: January 6, 2010 2:28 pm

Absolutely stunning.

That's all I can say about Roberto Alomar falling short in the Hall of Fame voting, which was announced Wednesday afternoon. Andre Dawson was the only player elected by the Baseball Writers' Assn. of America, and for me, there's no question he's a Hall of Famer. Dawson was a five-tool player, he could beat you with his bat, his arm, his legs (before they went bad) and his glove.

But no Alomar, who was every bit the wizard at second base that Hall of Famer Ozzie Smith was during his years at shortstop?

During several radio interviews this week talking about the Hall election, my prediction was that Alomar definitely would get in, there was a pretty good chance of Alomar and Dawson being elected and a very, very outside chance that Alomar, Dawson and Bert Blyleven would get in.

I never imagined a scenario in which Alomar, the best second baseman I've ever seen, would fall short.

He'll eventually get in, and probably next year. He checked in with 73.7 percent of the vote this year, just short of the required 75 percent.

Probably, a year from now, we'll be talking about Alomar's election.

For now, this year, we're talking Dawson.

It's as surprising a Hall of Fame election as I can recall.


Since: Nov 3, 2007
Posted on: January 6, 2010 5:03 pm

Dawson yes, but no Alomar?

kirkness I agree with you. How these guys get such swings in votes from year to year is a joke. What the hell with Bert Blyleven? How in the hell is he not in the hall? They seem to hold it against him that he pitched for some cruddy teams but the last I checked his stats haven't changed since the day he reitired. Hopefully he gets in before he dies and gets to enjoy it somewhat. It would be funny if they elected him and he told them "sorry, not interested".

Since: May 23, 2008
Posted on: January 6, 2010 4:50 pm

Dawson yes, but no Alomar?

ciepson, I'm not denying it but when did Alomar ever play with Canseco or McGwire? He played for the Padres, Jays, Orioles, Indians and Mets from what I can remember. I know Canseco played for the Jays but think it was well after Alomar. Of Course Canseco played for a ton of teams. As for Big Mac, I thought he only played for A's and Cards. Could be wrong. Didn't look it up. Your comment just seemed wrong to me. I could be wrong though.

BTW, Alomar, Canseco and Mac are NOT in the I don't understand the last comment either.

As for the steroid thing. I think it's moronis to keep these guys out. Are you keeping A-Rod and Bonds out when they get there? If not (and I can't see how that's possible) you can't be punishing these guys.

Since: May 23, 2008
Posted on: January 6, 2010 4:45 pm

Dawson yes, but no Alomar?

HAHAHAHAHA, did someone just seriously say to look at his rookie card then look at him 10 years later to "Prove" he took steroids?WOW!! I've never heard Alomar linked to seroids except for this board by a couple people. Was he on them? Maybe. Was everyone in baseball on something? Maybe. See how easy that is? Look at his rookie card? much weight did you gain after you turned 20 years old. How much muscle you think you can put on your body in 10 years during your 20s without steroids? I'm 29 and gained 30 pounds since I was 20. That's such a dumb comment it should revoke posting privledges.

And most of the time the proven juice guys got less flexible and played horribly in the field. Alomar continued to hit for moderate power and play great D with great speed on the bases. I'm not sure what you saw to show he took steroids in your mind. I mean it's not like what happened with Brady Anderson and Brett Boone. What is alomar's highest HR total? 21-24 or something close. His career average is around 14-16. I don't see a huge descepency there.

Since: May 7, 2007
Posted on: January 6, 2010 4:43 pm

Dawson yes, but no Alomar?

I agree that the voting needs to changed. However, maybe some of the writers thought he fell into the steroid era question/debate and decided to withhold their vote?  He did play with both Canseco and McGwire, and if anyone in the HOF took steroids he would be my choice.

Since: Nov 26, 2009
Posted on: January 6, 2010 4:27 pm

Dawson yes, but no Alomar?

You are an idiot to say his defense wasn't spectacular. Period. I am a mets fan who watched him suck. Stop using that to bash him. We was the best 2B ever. Get a clue. We will get in next year and deserves to be there. You are full of hate. And did you know him personally? No? Then stop saying he was a bad guy. I bet you have done some stuff in your like you are not proud of. Shut it.

Since: Mar 14, 2008
Posted on: January 6, 2010 4:19 pm

Dawson yes, but no Alomar?

While I personally believe that Alomar is more worthy than Dawson I am not stunned he did not get voted in. I don't have a vote, and if I did I would upset a lot more people as I'm not sure either would ever make it into the hall. I watched both of these players and they were both great in their respects but I don't view either as being a measuring stick for another person to be measured against. If there is any question as to whether someone should or should not get into the hall of fame then they shouldn't.

Since: Jul 29, 2008
Posted on: January 6, 2010 4:17 pm

Dawson yes, but no Alomar?


I agree with you 100%  I like your formula, but I think there should be a value for each individual stat instead of a set number as in your HR example.  I don't know how they would assign values because how do compare a say a SB to a Sac Fly?  But anyway, I definitely think you are on the right track.  I also think awards and All-Star selections should be given a point value along with the stats.  I really like the idea of a player's vote.  Might even throw a few old managers in there as well.

Since: Oct 11, 2006
Posted on: January 6, 2010 4:15 pm

Dawson yes, but no Alomar?

Personally I don't think the spitting incident had anything to do with it.  Hirschbeck and Alomar are actually very close friends today and that stemmed from the incident.  It was Alomar who initially made the contact and through their friendship Alomar does a lot of charity work for Hirschbeck, who's son died at an early age.  So I don't think it was that so much as that as it was the writers are all idiots.

Since: Jun 28, 2007
Posted on: January 6, 2010 4:06 pm

Dawson yes, but no Alomar?

Alomar? What about Mark McGwire?  If you think Alomar didn't do steroids, look at his rookie card, then look at pictures of him 10 years later. 

Since: Feb 15, 2007
Posted on: January 6, 2010 4:05 pm

Dawson yes, but no Alomar?

You understand Hirshbeck provoked him with a racial epithet, right?

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