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Lee on short rest? Feliz sighting? Texas regroups

Posted on: October 29, 2010 5:54 pm
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ARLINGTON, Tex. -- Are the Rangers in deep enough trouble that they would dare consider asking ace Cliff Lee to do something he's never done, come back on short rest for Game 4?

It might all hinge on Game 3, a game manager Ron Washington called "must-win" as the Rangers worked out Friday afternoon preparing for it.

"You certainly don't want to go down 3-0," Washington said.

Colby Lewis will start Game 3 for the Rangers on Saturday, with young right-hander Tommy Hunter the scheduled Game 4 starter. Lee, as things stand now, is to start Game 5.

Asked Friday whether he's thought of using Lee on three days' rest, Washington responded, "The only thing I'm thinking about is Colby tomorrow. I can't answer that."

That open-ended answer will send hordes of people into a raging debate, of course.

But don't expect Lee to go in Game 4.

If he does, it will rank as the biggest shocker of this series.

The Rangers had a chance to use Lee on short rest in the Division Series against Tampa Bay in Game 4. But leading the series two games to one at that point, Washington opted against the idea. The Rangers lost, then went back to Florida to beat Tampa Bay in Game 5.

Last October, the Phillies didn't ask Lee to go on short rest in the World Series, either. Lee has never pitched on short rest.

The key here is this: Whether or not the Rangers would consider moving Lee up to start Game 4, they still need to win Game 5.

Meantime, Washington answered another pitching question that completely has taken on a life of its own in the aftermath of Texas' horrendous bullpen Game 2 meltdown:

Why did closer Neftali Feliz remain sitting on the bench as the meltdown progressed in the eighth inning? Especially with a fresh arm, as he has yet to pitch in the World Series?

Washington reiterated a day later that he did not even consider the option.

"No, I didn't, because if I would have went to Feliz right there, he would have had to do something he's never done before," Washington said. "And I wasn't going to challenge him like that.

"Nope, we had other guys down there that I have a lot of confidence in getting us out of that inning. It just didn’t happen."

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Since: Oct 10, 2006
Posted on: November 2, 2010 12:24 am
 

Lee on short rest? Feliz sighting? Texas regroups

I guess it didn't matter that Lee got the extra rest.  I guess it doesn't matter that all the experts disrespected Lincecum.  In the end, Lincecum proved just how good he is on the biggest stage with the biggest game on the line.  A great game, especially for Giant's fans.  Still, I hope Ranger fans give kudo's to Lee.  Aside from one big hit by Renteria, Lee pitched a pretty darn good game.  Unfortunately for him and the Rangers, he was pitching against another great pitcher (is it too early to consider future hall of famer? - two Cy Youngs and now a convincing performance in the WS).

Maybe, Greg Doyle can finally shut up and give Lincecum a little respect.  "Lincecum ain't beating Lee, either. Not in October. I've got the Rangers splitting the four, non-Lee games with San Francisco -- meaning Rangers in 6."  Oops, Lincecum just beat Lee twice in two WS games in October.  Maybe now, Doyle can do a little work and check out Lincecum.  The kid is great and Doyle should know better given his two Cy-Youngs!!!

Congrats to the Giants, they proved they are a great team with great pitching and stuck it to the experts!!!



Since: Jul 12, 2007
Posted on: November 1, 2010 1:59 pm
 

Lee on short rest? Feliz sighting? Texas regroups

Like I said a few days back. Bumgarner could shut down the Ranger.



Since: Oct 10, 2006
Posted on: November 1, 2010 2:20 am
 

Lee on short rest? Feliz sighting? Texas regroups

Ooops, I guess we heard it here first, and now, you heard it back... Bumgarner sure got killed out there tonight!!!  You better hope you were wrong in this post more than just about Bumgarner.  Otherwise, the marbles will be decided in Game 6 and it will be the Giants who get to take them home!!!


whofan74
Since: Oct 31, 2008
Posted on: October 30, 2010 3:49 pm
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Since: Aug 7, 2008
Posted on: October 30, 2010 3:31 pm
 

Lee on short rest? Feliz sighting? Texas regroups

If Lee is a "sure win" like he was for game 1 then the Rangers pitch him tonight because if they lose tonight's game then they will be down 3 games to zero. That is a daunting task for even veteran teams that have been to the World Series before. Thus far, the Rangers are acting like they are just happy to be there. Meanwhile, the Giants are working hard to win baseball games instead of party hardy like the Rangers have been doing. In my previous posts I have been kidding about the Rangers crying after losing to the Giants. But I know that if the Rangers lose tonight they will certainly cry for sure. Also, I don't see why people are saying that it will rain tonight. It never rains in Texas.



Since: Jul 24, 2007
Posted on: October 30, 2010 3:17 pm
 

Lee on short rest? Feliz sighting? Texas regroups

Playing for all the Mables? Who are the Mables? What is herad? It's apparent from your ignorance that you're a dillusional Rangers fan. You have something going for you, you have some Giants fans hoping the Giants can come back and win it all in front of the home crowd. I'm somewhat torn in that direction also, but the reality is that we'll have to be at the airport to welcome home the conquering heros. There's no way the Giants need to come back here to play. Between Sanchez and Baumgarner we might not even need Timmy. I would presume if the Rangers lose today, you'll see Lee in Game 4, just to save the Rangers butts. That would leave Timmy against who?? That's if Lee could somehow beat Madison, who is hot right now. You heard it here first.



Since: Feb 25, 2008
Posted on: October 30, 2010 1:31 pm
 

Lee on short rest? Feliz sighting? Texas regroups

I doubt what happened in game 1 will cost lee anything, teams like the yankees, red sox, and phillies always spend the money to get to the world series. If anything Lee will prob get a highest paid pitcher contract...


whofan74
Since: Oct 31, 2008
Posted on: October 30, 2010 1:13 pm
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Since: Apr 3, 2007
Posted on: October 30, 2010 12:22 pm
 

Lee on short rest? Feliz sighting? Texas regroups

Say what you will about Washington for sitting on his hands during the epic meltdown, but questioning his decision to not bring in the closer? That's bordering on ridiculous. 
Perspective is everything. There were 2 outs, and Posey in a 1-2 count. It looked, for all intents and purposes, that the inning was going to be over quickly. Don't forget that the Giants were UP 2-0 in that inning. Not the Rangers, the Giants. All the hulabaloo about that inning and what gets lost in the mix is that Cain was dominating that Rangers lineup and the Rangers had 3 outs to go and Brian Wilson warming up. Posey singles, and 8 straight balls later it's bases loaded, 2 out.  By the time he had the bullpen going, the horse had left the barn. 
The only part Washington messed up was not getting someone up after the 1st 4 pitches missed. When the 5th pitch missed he should have signaled to the pen, but bear in mind: that changes nothing. It's still going to be 8 straight balls, because the RP needs to warm up. And then the guy he brought in ALSO issued a bases loaded walk. So regardless of ANY move Washington makes, the Giants plate 1 run that inning. One HUGE run making it 3-0 instead of 2-0, an important insurance run in a tight ballgame. 
This game played NOTHING like the final score, and everyone second guessing Washington for his management of what was essentially a losing effort reeks of hindsight brilliance and sportswriters with bills to pay. 
Consider this: The hypothetical I outlined transpires - Washington makes the move after the 1st walk, the Rangers walk in a run anyway, it's 3-0 and Washington goes to Netfali Feliz, a closer - it's bases loaded and 2 out. Pitchers are creatures of habit and closers often choke when not in a save situation. Even the best of 'em do it - bring them in with a 1 run lead and they're nails. Bring them into a tie or down a run or mop up duties and they lose focus and get shellacked. But that aside, even if it all goes perfectly, what is the net result? 
Simple: the Giants get a taste of Feliz and start to time him.  It was cold and damp in SF and Feliz is a TX Latin American - not ideal pitching conditions. The way the Giants were swinging the bats, maybe they eek out a couple hits off the guy. The loss is still a loss, and now you've used Feliz and potentially given the Giants a preview of him. And what if Saturday the Rangers have that 2-1 lead? No element of surprise with Feliz - and he's a little less rested. 
Say what you will about Washington waiting 1 batter too long to make the move to the pen, but in my opinion it changed nothing of the outcome, and it helped to prevent unnecessarily exposing his closer.  The one thing it probably changed was that instead of a 3-0 or 4-0 game, it was a 9-0 game. And in terms of W-L it counts exactly the same. 
BTW, I'm no Washington apologist - I'm a Giants fan. I just happen to be a realist. 



Since: Dec 2, 2007
Posted on: October 30, 2010 11:55 am
 

Lee on short rest? Feliz sighting? Texas regroups

hopefully the rangers pull it out and make an interesting series!


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