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Red Sox in serious talks for SD's Adrian Gonzalez

Posted on: December 4, 2010 2:31 am
Edited on: December 4, 2010 2:46 am
 

The on-again, off-again talks between the Red Sox and the Padres involving Adrian Gonzalez, an oldie-but-goodie first discussed at the July trade deadline in 2009, are back on in a big way.

Sources with knowledge of the talks confirmed to CBSSports.com late Friday night that the two clubs are discussing a blockbuster that would send a package of prospects to the Padres in exchange for Gonzalez, the three-time All-Star who is entering the final year of his contract in 2011 before he becomes eligible for free agency.

The Red Sox, under general manager Theo Epstein, have taken multiple runs at acquiring Gonzalez going all the way back to '09. At this moment, they appear closer to landing the slugger than they ever have before. There were indications late Friday night that a deal possibly could even be reached before the clubs get too deep into next week's winter meetings that begin in Orlando on Monday.

Traveling parallel paths in looking for a big hitter, the Red Sox this week have spoken with free agents Jayson Werth, Carl Crawford and Adrian Beltre. With Kevin Youkilis reportedly working out at third base this winter, the Sox would have the flexibility, if they do not re-sign Beltre, to move Youkilis across the diamond and plug in Gonzalez at first base.

Of course, in negotiations, things are not always what they seem, and the Red Sox currently are juggling enough possibilities that a well-timed run at Gonzalez also could be designed to break the will of Beltre and cause him to lower his asking price and re-sign with them sooner rather than later. Theoretically, with Beltre in the fold, Youkilis would stay at first base and the Red Sox could turn away from the San Diego talks.

However, late Friday night, that's not the way Boston appeared to be moving. Conversations with the Padres were said to have gained momentum throughout the day on Friday.

While neither San Diego general manager Jed Hoyer nor Gonzalez could be reached for comment, a couple of things are in play here:

One, Gonzalez, who underwent arthroscopic surgery on his right shoulder after the season ended, has not given any indication that he's amenable to signing a long-term deal with San Diego for a discounted price.

And two, the Padres, surprise winners of 90 games in 2010, likely realize that their optimal time to move him is now, when they surely would receive a bigger package of players in return than they would in July, when Gonzalez might be a three-month rental for a contending team.

While trading Gonzalez would be a public relations disaster for a San Diego club whose attendance already was disappointing in 2010, the Padres have been taking on water this winter, anyway.

Already, they've lost three key pieces from a team that managed to stay in contention all the way to the last day of last season: Pitcher Jon Garland has signed with the division-rival Dodgers, infielder Miguel Tejada has signed with the division-rival Giants and catcher Yorvit Torrealba has fled to Texas.

As things stand now, the Padres have serious holes in their rotation and in their middle infield. And the 2011 payroll is not projected to rise much beyond the low $40 millions. In 2010, only the Pirates had a lower payroll than San Diego.

Consequently, despite their surprise season in 2010, the Padres appear to be veering more toward rebuilding with young pieces -- witness their acquisition of outfielder Cameron Maybin from Florida earlier this winter -- than toward contending again.

Much as it would be unpalatable to the local fans to see Gonzalez, a San Diego native, dealt, he currently appears on a dead-end course with the Padres, and trading him clearly is their best shot at quickly accumulating three or four players who would either be major-league ready, or help fertilize the upper-levels of a weak farm system.

Among the Red Sox's prospects who would be the most attractive to San Diego are pitcher Casey Kelly, first baseman Anthony Rizzo, shortstop Jose Iglesias and outfielder Ryan Kalish.

Hoyer, who just completed his first season as Padres' GM, and his assistant Jason McLeod, each worked under Epstein in Boston through the end of the 2009 season. As scouting director for the Red Sox, McLeod knows their system exceedingly well. The Epstein-Hoyer relationship is another reason why many in the industry have predicted Gonzalez would wind up in Fenway Park since Hoyer replaced Kevin Towers in the GM's chair.

Though the Padres picked up Gonzalez's $5.5 million contract for 2011, there remain no indications that he will be a San Diego lifer. Gonzalez is looking for Ryan Howard-Mark Teixeira-Albert Pujols money, a six- or seven-year deal worth somewhere north of $20 million a year.

The Padres sent strong signals that they intended to trade Gonzalez last year until their unexpectedly good season caused them to keep that team together. Though Gonzalez is a local hero and a highly popular Hispanic player for a team that draws from Mexico, there were zero promotions for Gonzalez during the 2010 season. No cover of the media guide, no bobble-head nights, no posters, nothing. It was a strong signal that he was not in their long-term plans.

Gonzalez last year batted .298 with 31 homers and 101 RBI despite being bothered by a damaged right shoulder beginning in May. With two good shoulders in '09, Gonzalez crushed 40 home runs with 99 RBI.

With numbers like that in the cavernous Petco Park, you can't blame the Red Sox for dreaming about the damage the lefty swinging Gonzalez could do in Fenway Park -- especially with David Ortiz moving into the, ahem, twilight of his career.

Some 16 months after the Red Sox first started talking with the Padres about Gonzalez, they appear closer than ever to making that happen. And they still would have money left for either Werth or Crawford.

 

Comments

Since: Jun 26, 2008
Posted on: December 6, 2010 2:58 pm
 

Red Sox in serious talks for SD's Adrian Gonzalez

You can't even compare this remotely to the spending of the Yankees! Seriously, We signed 1 player and it's going to cost us about 6 million for this year and whatever they end up signing the contract for... We are not the guys who spent over 200 million on 2 pitchers in the same year? How's that Burnett working out for you incidentally? If, your going to make comparisons on how the Red Sox spend compared to the yankees at least put an actual comparison.....Crawford will end up an Angel, Werth is signed... So, come up with something better than that.



Since: Feb 11, 2008
Posted on: December 6, 2010 12:39 am
 

Red Sox in serious talks for SD's Adrian Gonzalez

The Padres have to do this trade. It's the way a pathetic system is set up. They'll never be able to delve into the free-agent market to plug their many holes, so they become a farm system for the 5-6 mega-franchises who are ruining the sport. No star can stay for long. No success can be sustained.

Teams need a cap that requires them to spend less than a certain amount. They also need a ceiling that requires teams to spend at least a certain amount. Basically, if you can't afford to put a competitive team on the field, you shouldn't own the franchise.

I know people say MLB needs the Yankees and Red Sox to be dominant, for the health of the sport. But payrolls are much more even for NFL franchises and that sport's owners are doing just fine.

I hate that the Padres have to do this, but I understand why. The system is broken.

Excellent post HawkCharger, agree 99%, that one percent came to be last year. The san Diego Padres looked like they were cruising to a NL West Division win, only to be beaten out on the last game of the year by the San Francisco Giants. Looking at this, at this point how many predicted the Giants would wind up winning the World Series? Ironically the San Diego Padres tailspin started when they signed and traded for a few players to plug their holes. The Padres should have kept Adrian Gonzalez no matter what, homeboy, extremely cheap @ 5.5 million per annum next year, Padres should have followed the lead of the Minnesota Twins in their signing of Joe Mauer, and signed to a long-term contract. If a MLB team can't afford to pay one Star or Superstar they should be relegated to the minor leagues until the owner stops pocketing his luxury tax cheque.Well reports have it now the Red Sox were unable to extend his contract ( iniatally) , with any justice, Gonzalez could be back next year with the Padres ( not holding my breath). Teams like the Padres and Pirates need to step up to the plate and spend some of the revenue they receive for playing minor league affiliate to the (sic) big market teams.San Diego small market? Roberto Clemente turning in his grave, sure the " We are Family" teams of Pittsburgh led by Willie Stargell are just as disgusted!



Since: Mar 12, 2009
Posted on: December 4, 2010 10:29 am
 

Red Sox in serious talks for SD's Adrian Gonzalez

His Batting Average ( Adrian Gonzo's) will climb as his ability to spray hits will be great he will have more doublesand rbi's



Since: Aug 27, 2006
Posted on: December 4, 2010 10:19 am
 

Red Sox in serious talks for SD's Adrian Gonzalez

The Padres have to do this trade. It's the way a pathetic system is set up. They'll never be able to delve into the free-agent market to plug their many holes, so they become a farm system for the 5-6 mega-franchises who are ruining the sport. No star can stay for long. No success can be sustained.

Teams need a cap that requires them to spend less than a certain amount. They also need a ceiling that requires teams to spend at least a certain amount. Basically, if you can't afford to put a competitive team on the field, you shouldn't own the franchise.

I know people say MLB needs the Yankees and Red Sox to be dominant, for the health of the sport. But payrolls are much more even for NFL franchises and that sport's owners are doing just fine.

I hate that the Padres have to do this, but I understand why. The system is broken.




Since: Sep 5, 2008
Posted on: December 4, 2010 10:18 am
 

Red Sox in serious talks for SD's Adrian Gonzalez

Amazing how the mighty name calling Red Sucks are interested in talking with all these free agents but at the same time cursing the Mighty Empire Yankees all these years for doing the same thing. Yes I'm a Yankees fan, have been since the late 60's. My how the times have changed, Crawford, Werth, Gonzalez, where's all the Boston home grown talent we in the Empire have been hearing about all these years? SPEND BABY SPEND, HA, HA, HA,!




Since: Jun 26, 2008
Posted on: December 4, 2010 9:13 am
 

Red Sox in serious talks for SD's Adrian Gonzalez

I can see how you feel especially if your a padre fan, but Sandiego needs to get something for him while they can because after this year they can't afford him. It's best that they get some players for him now then just letting him go to free agency and getting nothing out of it. Of course padre fans all over will be anrgy, as would I, but it makes sense for the team if your thinking a year down the road because he is going to command to much money for the padres too afford. Sad but true though.



Since: Dec 9, 2008
Posted on: December 4, 2010 8:58 am
 

Red Sox in serious talks for SD's Adrian Gonzalez

Getting Adrian Gonzalez would be a great pick up. The Red Sox need to strengthen their batting/runs scored and Adrian would be a great addition. Also with the addition of Adrian, it might entice others to seak out the Red Sox, but the Red Sox would have a better negotating stance, still need another outfielder tho.



Since: Feb 11, 2008
Posted on: December 4, 2010 8:44 am
 

San Diego should be traded if they make this deal

Truly disappointed if these talks are taking place. San Diego was a half game from making the playoffs last year, but to trade away Adrian Gonzalez while they still have a chance next year of making the playoffs for what, I ask? What can Boston really offer in return as an impact player ? How much better will San Diego be if they have no intention of making a run for it in 2011, than two sandwich compensation picks. This justs once again reeks of collusion, collusion that we have seen for way to long in MLB,small market(sic) teams cow-towing to the big market teams, reacting like they're a minor league system affiliate.Enough already! Who gives a rodents derriere what the Boston Red Sox or New york Yankees need, believe San Diego needs Adrian Gonzalez a hell of a lot more than either of those teams. Seems to me the media in columns just like this are trying to numb any kind of rational thinking, villifying these decades long travesty of raping the have nots for the betterment of the haves( yuck).Perhaps there is more than meets the eye, just another example MK Ultra at work, mesmerizing the sheeple like deer caught in headlights. How revolting. To all decent fans in San Diego, I can only add " SAY IT AIN'T SO JOE !"



Since: Nov 19, 2008
Posted on: December 4, 2010 7:34 am
 

Red Sox in serious talks for SD's Adrian Gonzalez

Does this really make much sense? To get Gonzalez it will take a boat load of prospects. To make it worthwhile to trade said boatload, you'd expect that Theo would want and need to get Gonzalez to sign a long term deal since he'll be a free agent at the end of 2011. Wouldn't it make more sense to either (1) find a one year replacement at 1st base and make a run at Gonzalez when he's a free agent next year (they'll free up Ortiz's money at the end of 2011) and use the money this year to sign Crawford or (2) trade those prospects for Justin Upton who is younger and already signed for far less money than it will take to sign Gonzalez prior to his testing the free agent waters, bring in a one year third or first baseman (Derek Lee, Carlos Pena, etc.) and make a run at Adrian in December of 2011. Just my two cents...




Since: Nov 20, 2006
Posted on: December 4, 2010 4:27 am
 

Red Sox in serious talks for SD's Adrian Gonzalez

id hate to see adrian go but if he is i only hope the padres get enough in return.two major league ready prospects


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