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Phillies backing away from Madson deal?

Posted on: November 9, 2011 12:48 pm
Edited on: November 10, 2011 12:57 am
 
That contract the Phillies were discussing with Ryan Madson, the one that was rich enough to perhaps set the bar for Jonathan Papelbon and others this winter?

It might have been too lucrative for the Phillies' own good.

The deal currently is in flux -- with Philadelphia ownership hitting the pause button, according to sources with knowledge of the discussions.

Whether it or not it gets put back on track -- today or in the near future -- now will be the subject of great interest.

Madson and the Phillies on Tuesday were discussing a four-year deal worth $44 million, according to sources with knowledge of the talks, with a fifth year option worth another $13 million. The deal, negotiated between Phillies general manager Ruben Amaro Jr. and agent Scott Boras, was said to be reaching its final stages -- offered, and accepted. Then it went upstairs to Phillies' CEO David Montgomery, and the club hit the brakes.

This doesn't necessarily mean the Phillies will not sign Madson, who converted 32 of 34 save opportunities in 2011. But it does mean that if they've got pause on the price tag -- a price they initially appeared to be OK with -- they might decide to in a different direction -- Papelbon? Heath Bell? -- before what has turned into a highly curious negotiation finishes.

Madson, 31, compiled a 2.37 ERA in his first full-time season as a closer, with 62 strikeouts over 60 2/3 innings.
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xiaomyyi
Since: Nov 9, 2011
Posted on: November 9, 2011 8:30 pm
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Since: Aug 20, 2006
Posted on: November 9, 2011 8:12 pm
 

Phillies backing away from Madson deal?

Another case of Borass over inflating his clients value and damaging the sport.  Why give Madson a hugelong term deal when there are better options available. Hold the line Ruben, don`t let that scum bag railroad you.




Since: Feb 1, 2007
Posted on: November 9, 2011 7:30 pm
 

Phillies backing away from Madson deal?

The Phillies should back away from this deal.  11 mil a year for a guy with 52 lifetime saves is absurd. Too many closers are one year wonders. I would rather spend that cash on Papelbon.


The Phillies need to focus on the infield.  Save cash on Rollins by using Galvis and trade Brown, Worley and maybe Trevor Mays and go after Wright hard for third.  

Or go wild if Fla signs Reyes and Ramirez for victorino, and the group above.  



Since: Nov 13, 2008
Posted on: November 9, 2011 7:00 pm
 

Phillies backing away from Madson deal?

That's alot of money to give someone for 1 solid year. Even with superior pitching last year this team couldn't get it done because they can't hit. Oswalt is done, Lee is an inch away from a season ending back injury. With just a very good staff that line up won't win enough games to finish higher than 3rd. Better save that money and get a slugger. One who doesn't disappear every big series like Ryan Howard. 



Since: Aug 2, 2011
Posted on: November 9, 2011 6:10 pm
 

Phillies backing away from Madson deal?

As closers go, PApelbon had a poorm 2011, as did the team, especially in the final month. I feel that with the quality of players comparatively, it is a cheaper option to keep Madson as a closer than spend money on very inconsistent/ average which will cost more in the long run



Since: Jul 9, 2009
Posted on: November 9, 2011 5:52 pm
 

Phillies backing away from Madson deal?

You could get 2-3 reliable bullpen arms for that.  
. . .But how many of them could reliably close?  I know, I know, a lot of people say that there's nothing special about closing and that all the guy needs to do is what every other relief pitcher should do: get some outs.  And yet the people who run most good clubs seem to feel that it takes something extra to be a closer. 

And actually I don't have a strong opinion pro or con as to whether the amount of money being discussed for Madson is too much.  It's certainly true that until well into this past season everyone doubted whether he could reliably close, since he had been unsuccessful at it in previous attempts.  But I guess they're confident in him now and don't feel that they can be confident in anyone they're likely to be able to get for a lot less money.  And I guess they want to start by resolving the closer situation before the good ones disappear, and fill in the remaining bullpen spots later. 



Since: Oct 4, 2006
Posted on: November 9, 2011 4:39 pm
 

Phillies backing away from Madson deal?

YOUR NAME SHOULD BE SCHMUCK, YOU IDIOT. Pay Jimmy Rollins, seriously? We won games DESPITE our POP-UP prone SS. HE IS WAAAAAAAYYYYYY over rated and HE HAS NO HEART. Certainly not a CLUTCH HITTER! SEE YA J-FRO.
What short bus did you fall off of? His glove is outstanding and his bat is a heck of a lot better than any SS who we'd be replacing him with, that is unless we lose our damn minds and sign Reyes. 



Since: Jun 9, 2009
Posted on: November 9, 2011 4:30 pm
 

Phillies backing away from Madson deal?

YOUR NAME SHOULD BE SCHMUCK, YOU IDIOT. Pay Jimmy Rollins, seriously? We won games DESPITE our POP-UP prone SS. HE IS WAAAAAAAYYYYYY over rated and HE HAS NO HEART. Certainly not a CLUTCH HITTER! SEE YA J-FRO.



Since: Nov 2, 2006
Posted on: November 9, 2011 4:24 pm
 

Phillies backing away from Madson deal?

Take care of Cole Hamels and Jimmy Rollins first before giving a reliever that much money.



Since: Feb 11, 2008
Posted on: November 9, 2011 4:20 pm
 

Phillies backing away from Madson deal?

Have to agree with most that $11 million dollars for a closer is too steep, for those that believe the contrary, could compromise and say for a one year deal, but over four years with a fifth year option, that's a huge risk for a position that we see changing hands like in a relay race in a rotating door.
 How many teams in both leagues have the same closer for the last five years, I don't know the answer but I'm guesszing few and far between.  On the other hand we saw the Mets pay Luis Castillo $ 11 million a year and O.Perez over $17 million not to play this year, as is so true of the ying and yang of baseball, couple of years down the line the Phillies might be doing the same with Madson.
 Love Madson, but think closers as a whole are paid way too much.


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