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Phillies backing away from Madson deal?

Posted on: November 9, 2011 12:48 pm
Edited on: November 10, 2011 12:57 am
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That contract the Phillies were discussing with Ryan Madson, the one that was rich enough to perhaps set the bar for Jonathan Papelbon and others this winter?

It might have been too lucrative for the Phillies' own good.

The deal currently is in flux -- with Philadelphia ownership hitting the pause button, according to sources with knowledge of the discussions.

Whether it or not it gets put back on track -- today or in the near future -- now will be the subject of great interest.

Madson and the Phillies on Tuesday were discussing a four-year deal worth $44 million, according to sources with knowledge of the talks, with a fifth year option worth another $13 million. The deal, negotiated between Phillies general manager Ruben Amaro Jr. and agent Scott Boras, was said to be reaching its final stages -- offered, and accepted. Then it went upstairs to Phillies' CEO David Montgomery, and the club hit the brakes.

This doesn't necessarily mean the Phillies will not sign Madson, who converted 32 of 34 save opportunities in 2011. But it does mean that if they've got pause on the price tag -- a price they initially appeared to be OK with -- they might decide to in a different direction -- Papelbon? Heath Bell? -- before what has turned into a highly curious negotiation finishes.

Madson, 31, compiled a 2.37 ERA in his first full-time season as a closer, with 62 strikeouts over 60 2/3 innings.
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Since: Dec 7, 2006
Posted on: November 9, 2011 3:38 pm
 

Phillies backing away from Madson deal?

Who's Manny Bastardo? ...you mean Antonio? If you love him so much, you could at least call him by his correct name.



Since: Feb 5, 2009
Posted on: November 9, 2011 3:26 pm
 

Phillies backing away from Madson deal?

 If it's me, i not only hit pause, but i pull it back and make a new offer -- one more in line for a closer who's done it for just one season, after having some seasons of bringing a gas can to the mound.  New offer would be, say, around $ 8 mill for 3 years.  Boros hits the ceiling ?  Aww, too bad.  Madson walks and the Phillies turn to the better option all along -- Manny Bastardo.  Love that guy.



Since: Oct 4, 2006
Posted on: November 9, 2011 3:22 pm
 

Phillies backing away from Madson deal?

Oh, no doubt.  And since he's lately been having less than half of Madson's success, too, I guess it makes a sort of sense.
Not advocating for Bronxton per se, but really spending 11 million dollars for a closer is absurd. He's going to pitch maybe 60-65 innings this year, not all of them even in crucial spots because of the absolutely retarded usage of "closers" and that isn't worth 11 million dollars. 

You could get 2-3 reliable bullpen arms for that.  



Since: Jul 9, 2009
Posted on: November 9, 2011 2:51 pm
 

Phillies backing away from Madson deal?

they could get broxton for less than half of that
Oh, no doubt.  And since he's lately been having less than half of Madson's success, too, I guess it makes a sort of sense.

On the other hand, I guess you're looking at it this way: Broxton has shown repeatedly that he can't save (or hold) games against the Phils, so since he wouldn't have to pitch against them any more, maybe coming here would solve all his problems!  (If only the world were that simple, eh?)  So from his point of view, "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em".  Unfortunately, from the Phillies' point of view, that translates as, "if you can beat him, don't join him."

Maybe he'd be more suitable as a sixth or seventh inning guy?  The Phils maybe can use one of those. . .



Since: Mar 13, 2011
Posted on: November 9, 2011 2:22 pm
 

Phillies backing away from Madson deal?

they could get broxton for less than half of that



Since: May 26, 2011
Posted on: November 9, 2011 2:16 pm
 

Phillies backing away from Madson deal?

I'm a little surprised that the Phillies moved first at closer, before addressing Rollins and short stop.  To me that is the bigger question mark.  But maybe the feeling is that the closer market will move more quickly, or maybe Rollins is just farther away in terms of the offer.  That could be it.  It is a risk, offering 4 years to a guy who basically has one good year as a closer, but he has good stuff, is a known quantity in the clubhouse, and if he holds up, it will seem like a steal.  The Phils are not afraid to take risks and they have the money to do so.  When they don't work out, they catch heck from the fans, but the way I see it, not every risk is going to pay off, yet you have to take them or failure is certain.  So I hope this deal goes through and I hope he pitches up to it, but if he doesn't then they'll hand it to someone else.  Remember, though Madson has a pretty good year for a closer, with 32 saves, he was actually, what? The fourth choice?  And still had enought time to rack up 32 saves. 

I suppose those Phils figure to have lot of small 9th innning leads to protect next year too, so from that standpoint, it makes sense to lock in their closer.  I just hope Bastardo et al give repeat performances to keep the rest of the bullpen strong, but realistically there could be some regression there. 



Since: Sep 2, 2006
Posted on: November 9, 2011 2:06 pm
 

Phillies backing away from Madson deal?

Why would the owner put a kaboosh on this deal. Seems to me that 11 million a year is not out of line for a guy who proved this year that he can get the job done. Now, if they can get Papelbon for the same money, I might understand this. Please do NOT sign Heath Bell. He is a Petco Park pitcher who time and time again fail once they leave that canyon of a ballpark.



Since: Sep 16, 2008
Posted on: November 9, 2011 2:04 pm
 

Phillies backing away from Madson deal?

Sorry, I'm a big Phillies fan but investing $11MM a year ina  closer when there are other glaring waek points in this lineup is way too much. I agree, either it comes down or they should look elsewhere.


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