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Red Sox look directionless in talking Bobby V

Posted on: November 18, 2011 6:21 pm
Edited on: November 18, 2011 6:28 pm
 
News that the Red Sox are talking with Bobby Valentine appears to mean one of two things for the flailing Bostons, who now are the only major-league team without a manager:

1. There is a total lack of direction and the Red Sox don't even know what they want anymore.

2. Ownership has seized the steering wheel from rookie general manager Ben Cherington and now is controlling the process.

Either scenario is not good, a far cry from the well-oiled machine that won the World Series in 2004 and 2007.

The first scenario is evidenced by the dramatic contrast between Valentine and the initial group of candidates they interviewed: Dale Sveum, who was named Cubs manager Friday, Sandy Alomar Jr., Gene Lamont, Pete Mackanin and Torey Lovullo. Of that group, only Lamont has prior major-league managerial experience (Mackanin was the Pirates' interim manager in 2005 and the Reds' interim pilot in 2007). All of those guys veer toward the quiet and unassuming and, to an extent, could be controlled by management. Valentine is brash, has years of experience and is his own man.

The second scenario is evidenced by the fact that Sveum veered in the Cubs' direction in short order following a lunch with Red Sox ownership on Wednesday. He was the only candidate brought back for a second interview. Clearly things did not click between Sveum and Boston's ownership. What we don't know is whether Sveum told Boston the Cubs were his first choice or whether Red Sox ownership pulled the plug on him.

Either way, it speaks volumes.

Obviously, Cherington did not think experience was a necessity when this process started. Valentine was on the shelf, available, when Terry Francona was let go. If the Red Sox were that interested in Valentine, they could have had him in place weeks ago. Why waste time first-dating all those first-timers?

Unless ... they arrived at Valentine once ownership lost confidence in Cherington.

Now there are more questions than answers:

-- Has aggressive president Larry Lucchino been turned loose by co-owners John Henry and Tom Werner to do his thing after being kept away from baseball operations during Theo Epstein's last few years in Boston?

-- By hiring Sveum, did Theo and Co. sting the Red Sox enough that Lucchino and Co. looking to one-up the Cubs with a splashy hire?

-- With his outsized personality, how much fun would Valentine be managing the Red Sox mixing with the outsized egos of ownership, the outsized coverage of the local media and the outsized noise from the New England fans?

-- How does Cherington regain his balance after his legs were cut out from under him this week and command authority going forward? Is it even possible?

At this rate, the Red Sox may take until Valentine's Day to have a manager in place. Or maybe (Bobby) Valentine's Day will come early to Boston.
Comments

Since: Oct 9, 2011
Posted on: November 20, 2011 11:49 am
 

Red Sox look directionless in talking Bobby V

As a RedSox fan I actually have no problem with Valentine as manager...he's a great baseball mind and his personality may just be what this team needs. No one can deny his baseball knowledge. His kick butt attitude maybe a refresher for some of these country club boys!



Since: Dec 27, 2007
Posted on: November 20, 2011 11:46 am
 

Red Sox look directionless in talking Bobby V

SCOTT MILLER IS A YANKEE FAN ANYWAY WHO CARES WHAT HE RIGHTS!!!!! GO REDSOX!!!!!!!!!!!! AND BOBBY V IS A GREAT CHOICE!!!! SIGN BOBBY V AND THEN SIGN CESPEDES FOR RIGHT FEILD. AND GO FROM THERE!!  COME ON SOX FORGET THE EPSTIEN FRANCONA ERA ITS TIME TO GET TOGETHER... 


OH YEAH!  ALMOST FORGOT!   YANKEES SUCK!!!!!  

 Do you ever read his articles? He isn't anything close to a Yankees fan. In fact, he's by far, the fairest baseball writer anywhere. Oh and by far the most knowledgeable. He isn't a dolt like Knobler who lives in his parents basement. He isn't a no-talent hack like Buster Olney who covered sports for the NY Times, which sees sports as a nuisance to their ever political spin. He isn't Wallace Matthews who is a low-life cretin with an IQ lower than his age.

You think Bobby Valentine is a great choice? Have you ever seen him in action? Have you seen him handle veteran players? Have you seen him with the media? Have you ever seen his ego and paranoia? Those are bad mixes for a town like Boston.

Valentine is a great in game manager. Bobby is great with young players and marginal MLB players. Valentine is intense. Valnetine is confident. All that is true. However...

Valentine also rankles veterans. Pete Harnisch nearly went after him and wanted to kill him. He talks behind players back to the media. His ego is Steinbrenneresque. This guy actually thinks he invented the "wrap sandwich" and also game of baseball. His arrogance is beyond the pale. It's pure hubris.

Bobby will come in like a hurricane and when he's done, he'll leave a team in shambles. You'll love how he handles the game, but hate everything else. After a short while, he wears out his welcome and the team will have to pick up the pieces. You want that? Oh and he's never won a division title, nor a world series. All he has is 2000 and that great run with the Mets which he should get full credit for. After that, the team went south and he hasn't manage in MLB since. Only the Japanese and their undying devotion to obediance and discipline could deal with his insanity. You think Ortiz, Youklis, Beckett are going to embrace that? Good luck there.



Since: Feb 17, 2007
Posted on: November 20, 2011 11:22 am
 

Red Sox look directionless in talking Bobby V

I still don't see what the big deal is? Francona wasn't hired till December when Grady Little was fired at the end of the 03 season. And it's not like the new manager has to implement a scheme for the players to learn? Did Sveum look like a good candidate,yes. But he has always been a midwest guy, so the Cubs job may have been a better fit for him personally, who knows! The Red Sox have a team in place that can hit, and a pitching staff; that if it can stay healthy(wich is a big question for every rotation in the big leagues) can contend. Any other market,excluding New york and Philly, and this would be some side note. But because this is the Boston Red Sox, they are inept because they haven't hired some one by some imaginary date in time! If Miller knows so much, why didn't he come up with candidates of his own? Because he can't, all he can do is come up with inflamatory headlines to make himself look good.



Since: Apr 21, 2007
Posted on: November 20, 2011 11:16 am
 

Red Sox look directionless in talking Bobby V

Miller is the one who's flailing here - in desperation.  He's got a well-established hates-everything-Yankees posture and the fact that the RedSox seem to be going nowhere fast (thus far) during the off-season has him desperate; desperate for something to latch onto in terms of "hey - the Yanks ain't gonna be able to get to the post-season 'cause of ..."

While I kind of relish the idea of a Booby V. tour at the helm for the Sox (would be one more log on the fire for the best rivalry in ALL of sports), I'd be surprised to see it happen.  Seems like Valentine has gotten a slew of look-sees over the past couple of years and for whatever reason, people back away.

I'll say this - they ought to try to make the hire soon so they can move forward and address their roster issues. 



Since: Nov 1, 2011
Posted on: November 20, 2011 11:04 am
 

Red Sox look directionless in talking Bobby V

SCOTT MILLER IS A YANKEE FAN ANYWAY WHO CARES WHAT HE RIGHTS!!!!! GO REDSOX!!!!!!!!!!!! AND BOBBY V IS A GREAT CHOICE!!!! SIGN BOBBY V AND THEN SIGN CESPEDES FOR RIGHT FEILD. AND GO FROM THERE!!  COME ON SOX FORGET THE EPSTIEN FRANCONA ERA ITS TIME TO GET TOGETHER... 


OH YEAH!  ALMOST FORGOT!   YANKEES SUCK!!!!!  




Since: Aug 19, 2006
Posted on: November 20, 2011 9:45 am
 

Red Sox look directionless in talking Bobby V

Red Sox MIGHT be able to scrape out a third place finish in the AL East next year.......but I dont know.....Jays and Orioles could make that difficult to achieve....






Since: Jul 24, 2009
Posted on: November 20, 2011 9:30 am
 

Red Sox look directionless in talking Bobby V

The Red Sox should sign CJ Wilson and Yu Darvish.  



Since: Jul 24, 2009
Posted on: November 20, 2011 9:29 am
 

Red Sox look directionless in talking Bobby V

The Red Sox should sign CJ Wilson and Yu Darvish.  



Since: Mar 20, 2007
Posted on: November 20, 2011 8:53 am
 

Red Sox look directionless in talking Bobby V

Tony Pena would be my choice





Since: Feb 14, 2011
Posted on: November 20, 2011 7:27 am
 

Red Sox look directionless in talking Bobby V

"Look directionless"?  Then the article ends with a bunch of questions.  Maybe the article should be titled "Scott Miller doesn't know what the Red Sox are doing".  Just a bad idea for a story.  Seems to me the Sox have taken some very decisive moves.  Maybe Miller can follow up with a more informative story.


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