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Red Sox look directionless in talking Bobby V

Posted on: November 18, 2011 6:21 pm
Edited on: November 18, 2011 6:28 pm
 
News that the Red Sox are talking with Bobby Valentine appears to mean one of two things for the flailing Bostons, who now are the only major-league team without a manager:

1. There is a total lack of direction and the Red Sox don't even know what they want anymore.

2. Ownership has seized the steering wheel from rookie general manager Ben Cherington and now is controlling the process.

Either scenario is not good, a far cry from the well-oiled machine that won the World Series in 2004 and 2007.

The first scenario is evidenced by the dramatic contrast between Valentine and the initial group of candidates they interviewed: Dale Sveum, who was named Cubs manager Friday, Sandy Alomar Jr., Gene Lamont, Pete Mackanin and Torey Lovullo. Of that group, only Lamont has prior major-league managerial experience (Mackanin was the Pirates' interim manager in 2005 and the Reds' interim pilot in 2007). All of those guys veer toward the quiet and unassuming and, to an extent, could be controlled by management. Valentine is brash, has years of experience and is his own man.

The second scenario is evidenced by the fact that Sveum veered in the Cubs' direction in short order following a lunch with Red Sox ownership on Wednesday. He was the only candidate brought back for a second interview. Clearly things did not click between Sveum and Boston's ownership. What we don't know is whether Sveum told Boston the Cubs were his first choice or whether Red Sox ownership pulled the plug on him.

Either way, it speaks volumes.

Obviously, Cherington did not think experience was a necessity when this process started. Valentine was on the shelf, available, when Terry Francona was let go. If the Red Sox were that interested in Valentine, they could have had him in place weeks ago. Why waste time first-dating all those first-timers?

Unless ... they arrived at Valentine once ownership lost confidence in Cherington.

Now there are more questions than answers:

-- Has aggressive president Larry Lucchino been turned loose by co-owners John Henry and Tom Werner to do his thing after being kept away from baseball operations during Theo Epstein's last few years in Boston?

-- By hiring Sveum, did Theo and Co. sting the Red Sox enough that Lucchino and Co. looking to one-up the Cubs with a splashy hire?

-- With his outsized personality, how much fun would Valentine be managing the Red Sox mixing with the outsized egos of ownership, the outsized coverage of the local media and the outsized noise from the New England fans?

-- How does Cherington regain his balance after his legs were cut out from under him this week and command authority going forward? Is it even possible?

At this rate, the Red Sox may take until Valentine's Day to have a manager in place. Or maybe (Bobby) Valentine's Day will come early to Boston.
Comments

Since: Sep 23, 2009
Posted on: November 19, 2011 5:54 pm
 

Red Sox look directionless in talking Bobby V

If the job doesn't pay AT LEAST $5 million a year, it ain't worth it. 




Since: Apr 3, 2010
Posted on: November 19, 2011 5:54 pm
 

Red Sox look directionless in talking Bobby V

I really need my baseball fix but im kinda sick of seeing nothing but posts from Miller.



Since: Sep 17, 2007
Posted on: November 19, 2011 5:50 pm
 

Red Sox look directionless in talking Bobby V

I rembember a few years ago an unnamed Hall of Fame writer proclaimed that Derron Bragg was the Red Sox team mvp and the one of baseball's best players.  Are you kidding me????  Lately the Boston writers say Josh Beckett can do no wrong
Darren Bragg, a plucky, blue collar fan favorite and one of the early Dirt Dogs, last played with Boston in 1998 so the phrase "a few years ago" is a little misleading. It's hard to put any stock into a supposed comment made by "an unnamed Hall of Fame writer" but even if such a comment was made, I'm assuming you misunderstood what what may have been said. Also, with the exception of John Lackey, no player's reputation has taken a bigger hit recently than Josh Beckett's, so please stick to misinterpreting news about crappy Ohio teams.



Since: Jun 22, 2010
Posted on: November 19, 2011 5:02 pm
 

Red Sox look directionless in talking Bobby V

Red Sox sports writers are losers.  They attempt to dicate to the manager who will play and who will not.  They establish fan favorites and provide favorable coverage based upon their likes and dislikes.

I rembember a few years ago an unnamed Hall of Fame writer proclaimed that Derron Bragg was the Red Sox team mvp and the one of baseball's best players.  Are you kidding me????  Lately the Boston writers say Josh Beckett can do no wrong.  Apparently he can even sit in the clubhouse and drink beer during the game.

Who would want the Red Sox manager's job with Boston sports writers undercutting and micromanaging each and every inning of each and every game?




Since: Sep 2, 2010
Posted on: November 19, 2011 4:43 pm
 

Red Sox look directionless in talking Bobby V




Since: Sep 2, 2010
Posted on: November 19, 2011 4:32 pm
 

Red Sox look directionless in talking Bobby V

the soxs will get him soon i hope



Since: Sep 2, 2010
Posted on: November 19, 2011 4:30 pm
 

Red Sox look directionless in talking Bobby V

News that the are talking with Bobby Valentine appears to mean one of two things for the flailing Bostons, who now are the only major-league team without a manager:

1. There is a total lack of direction and the Red Sox don't even know what they want anymore.

2. Ownership has seized the steering wheel from rookie general manager Ben Cherington and now is controlling the process.

Either scenario is not good, a far cry from the well-oiled machine that won the World Series in 2004 and 2007.

The first scenario is evidenced by the dramatic contrast between Valentine and the initial group of candidates they interviewed: Dale Sveum, who was named manager Friday, Sandy Alomar Jr., Gene Lamont, Pete Mackanin and Torey Lovullo. Of that group, only Lamont has prior major-league managerial experience (Mackanin was the ' interim manager in 2005 and the ' interim pilot in 2007). All of those guys veer toward the quiet and unassuming and, to an extent, could be controlled by management. Valentine is brash, has years of experience and is his own man.

The second scenario is evidenced by the fact that Sveum veered in the Cubs' direction in short order following a lunch with Red Sox ownership on Wednesday. He was the only candidate brought back for a second interview. Clearly things did not click between Sveum and Boston's ownership. What we don't know is whether Sveum told Boston the Cubs were his first choice or whether Red Sox ownership pulled the plug on him.

Either way, it speaks volumes.

Obviously, Cherington did not think experience was a necessity when this process started. Valentine was on the shelf, available, when Terry Francona was let go. If the Red Sox were that interested in Valentine, they could have had him in place weeks ago. Why waste time first-dating all those first-timers?

Unless ... they arrived at Valentine once ownership lost confidence in Cherington.

Now there are more questions than answers:




Since: Sep 2, 2010
Posted on: November 19, 2011 4:29 pm
 

Red Sox look directionless in talking Bobby V

As usual, Lumpoco was all over the place and towards the end just began making things up (Red Sox didn't make the playoffs this year and there were no reports of players "smoking dope"). I will say that the list of candidates is very thin and none of the names really jump out. One would think that after the debacle in September, the best managerial candidate would be the opposite of Francona-- a fiery, brash take-charge kind of guy like Valentine, capable of handling large market media who will get in players faces if they're dogging it. However, the situation the Red Sox have created is unique because they are tied to so many bad long term deals with entitled, underperforming vererans that such a strategy might be ineffective. Since Fenway has become a theme park for yuppies and the roster is loaded with malcontents, this team has to earn the fanbase's trust back with the same balls that won them two Championships and until they become that team again, I'm following them more out of morbid fascination than anything. I personally wished they got Ozzie Guillen to be the ringmaster of this circus but Bobby V. would be almost as much fun to watch try to fix this mess.
 



Since: Sep 15, 2006
Posted on: November 19, 2011 4:18 pm
 

Red Sox look directionless in talking Bobby V

If I were the Red Sox, I'd bring back Francona.  He is the best manager out there.  I have been thinking the same things that this article points out.  It looks like Boston is in disarray, not going anywhere, while losing a quality manager and a quality GM.  More bad is happening to them than good.  The Yankees are probably just loving this.



Since: Sep 17, 2007
Posted on: November 19, 2011 4:10 pm
 

Red Sox look directionless in talking Bobby V

As usual, Lumpoco was all over the place and towards the end just began making things up (Red Sox didn't make the playoffs this year and there were no reports of players "smoking dope"). I will say that the list of candidates is very thin and none of the names really jump out. One would think that after the debacle in September, the best managerial candidate would be the opposite of Francona-- a fiery, brash take-charge kind of guy like Valentine, capable of handling large market media who will get in players faces if they're dogging it. However, the situation the Red Sox have created is unique because they are tied to so many bad long term deals with entitled, underperforming vererans that such a strategy might be ineffective. Since Fenway has become a theme park for yuppies and the roster is loaded with malcontents, this team has to earn the fanbase's trust back with the same balls that won them two Championships and until they become that team again, I'm following them more out of morbid fascination than anything. I personally wished they got Ozzie Guillen to be the ringmaster of this circus but Bobby V. would be almost as much fun to watch try to fix this mess.



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