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Marlins pushing hard on Pujols, want answer soon

Posted on: December 6, 2011 9:23 pm
Edited on: December 7, 2011 1:56 am
 
DALLAS -- The Marlins spent an extraordinary amount of time Tuesday afternoon and evening wooing free agent slugger Albert Pujols and appeared to be thundering toward their finish line as darkness enveloped Dallas on a cold Tuesday night.

Whether it is also Pujols' finish line remains to be seen.

The Marlins pushed very, very hard through the night Tuesday to finish a Pujols deal with a 10-year offer, according to sources, worth in excess of $200 million. Closing in on 1 a.m. CDT, sources said the Marlins reached a point where there would be no immediate answer, and they would resume discussions with the Pujols Camp on Wednesday.

Earlier Tuesday, St. Louis general manager John Mozeliak said that the Cardinals presented the slugger with a new offer, their first since last February when Pujols rejected a reported nine-year offer worth a reported $195 million.

Meantime, USAToday's Bob Nightengale reported an unidentified team made a third offer of at least 10 years in what is becoming the most expensive bidding war in baseball history.

Sources with knowledge of the talks said that they expected the Pujols camp to let things play out a little longer.

That strategy did not mesh with what the Fish wanted Tuesday, and they may have to make a decision as a result. As owner Jeffrey Loria canceled dinner plans Tuesday to remain in the Hilton Anatole and try to knock off a deal for the iconic slugger, the Marlins remained players on free agent pitchers Mark Buehrle and C.J. Wilson.

Marlins officials emerged from an elevator after what appeared to have been a long meeting with Dan Lozano, Pujols' agent, shortly after 8 p.m. Tuesday. But club president David Samson repeatedly told reporters, "Nothing to report."

The Marlins want an answer from Pujols sooner rather than later -- they pushed for an answer Tuesday night -- so they can move on to one of those other options if they can't get him. They also want an answer from Pujols soon because of growing concern that they are being used as leverage to jack up the Cardinals' bid.

Bottom line: The Marlins badly want Pujols, but they do now want to lose out on other free agent options if Pujols is a rigged game and it's a fait accompli that he's returning to St. Louis. Whether or not the Marlins sign Pujols, they still want to improve their starting pitching. Without Pujols, they'll look to the free agent market. If they add Pujols, they will look to trade current first baseman Gaby Sanchez for pitching.

Mozeliak did not specify the Cards' new offer to Pujols either in years or dollars. When asked by St. Louis reporters in whose court the ball is in, Mozeliak replied, "Theirs."

"I suspect [a response] is going to come quickly," Mozeliak told St. Louis reporters. "That would have to come from that camp. ... In this situation, we're participants. I don't think we're dictating anything."

The Marlins believed that their offer had to be higher than that of the Cardinals to combat what one source termed the "statue effect." Meaning, if Pujols finished his career in St. Louis, the next step will be that the club and city will erect a statue of him next to the one of Hall of Famer Stan Musial outside of Busch Stadium.

Consequently, the Marlins have put together what sources call a "creative" offer, one that is so complicated that Loria and other Marlins executives met with Dan Haslem of the Commissioner's Office late Tuesday afternoon to review parts of it and, apparently, make sure it is in line with baseball rules and the new Collective Bargaining Agreement.

"Jeffrey is an art dealer. He's accustomed to obtaining special works of art," one National League executive said Tuesday night. "Maybe this is another special work of art."

Surely, they would tell you that Pujols is exactly that in St. Louis.

Whether he'll be on permanent loan anytime soon at the Marlins' posh new baseball museum in Miami is the subject that continues to dominate these meetings.
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Since: Sep 3, 2006
Posted on: December 7, 2011 2:58 am
 

Marlins pushing hard on Pujols, want answer soon

and of course albert pujols has no problem signing with st louis, waving his no trade clause then leaving the team and florida uses all of its money to replace ramirez with injury prone reyes for a bunch of prospects.... your a freakin idiot!!!




Since: Jun 20, 2010
Posted on: December 7, 2011 2:23 am
 

Marlins pushing hard on Pujols, want answer soon

***BREAKING NEWS***



The Los Angeles Angels have pulled off a massive 3-way trade with the St. Louis Cardinals and the Miami Marlins.  The exact details of the trade are not clear yet, but the key players involved are Albert Pujols, Hanley Rameriz, Kendry Morales, and Vernon Wells, with Pujols and Hanley Rameriz going to the Angels for a handful of players and also cash considerations  The St. Louis Cardinals who were able to offer Albert Pujols the best contract available to him as far as money and total years goes will sign and trade away Pujols for players from both the Angels and the Marlins.  After signing Pujols, the Cardinals will then trade him to the Angels who will in turn send a combination of players to both the Cardinals and the Miami Marlins.  The Miami Marlins will then send Hanley Rameriz to the Angels.  The following players from the Angles will be going to either the Cardinals or the Marlins, Los Angeles Angel Kendry Morales, Vernon Wells, Alberto Callaspo, Jerome Williams, Fernando Rodney, and either Erik Aybar or Maicer Izturis will be going to either the Cardinals or the Marlins.   It is not clear what players from the Cardinals and the Marlins will also be involved in the trade, but Jon Jay of the Cardinals and Gaby Sanchez of the Marlins have been possible names mentioned. 


Look for more detailed information on this trade to be available in the next couple of days. 

Larry Dobrow, CBSsports.com    




Since: Dec 7, 2011
Posted on: December 7, 2011 2:07 am
 

Marlins pushing hard on Pujols, want answer soon

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Since: Feb 13, 2008
Posted on: December 7, 2011 1:32 am
 

Marlins pushing hard on Pujols, want answer soon

That's a lot of ifs redwings.  Something stinks with the fish.  This is the same Marlins owner who only put up 20% of the $634 mil to build the new ballpark and claims the team can't afford to retain it's players or sign free agents.  Now all of a sudden Loria has the money in hand to foot an astronomical payroll?  Where was this money before?  Why wasn't it used to build the stadium instead of putting the city of Miami in the hole for $2 billion over the next 40 years without seeing a dime of team revenue in return?  No sensible corporation makes huge commitments to its payroll and expenses off of profit projections based on highly variable and untested sales factors of a new stadium in a historically bad market.  Something's gotta give and it's likely stadium attendance and revenue don't meet expectations and that will push Loria out of the frying pan and into the fire.  




Since: Sep 27, 2006
Posted on: December 7, 2011 1:28 am
 

Marlins pushing hard on Pujols, want answer soon

"What ever happened to the hometown discount? Pujols is a part of the cardinals like Jeter is a Yankee, I just can't believe he would go to Miami for a few million more and an extra year. I could see it if Albert didn't have a ring but this makes no sense, is this fall out from losing his manager."

So if you were offered the same job in another state that paid you a few million more a year over your current job, you'd turn down the extra money and take the hometown discount? Please.

I love St. Louis Cardinal fans. The fact is baseball is a job like any other job. Don't expect others to take a discount if you wouldn't yourself. And most who say that Albert Pujols should take a discount, wouldn't if they were in his shoes.



Since: Oct 23, 2006
Posted on: December 7, 2011 1:21 am
 

Marlins pushing hard on Pujols, want answer soon

The Marlins were still pushing very, very hard Tuesday night to finish a Pujols deal with a 10-year offer, according to sources, worth in excess of $200 million.

But St. Louis general manager John Mozeliak said that the presented the slugger with a new offer on Tuesday, their first since last February when Pujols rejected a reported nine-year offer worth a reported $195 million.
What ever happened to the hometown discount? Pujols is a part of the cardinals like Jeter is a Yankee, I just can't believe he would go to Miami for a few million more and an extra year. I could see it if Albert didn't have a ring but this makes no sense, is this fall out from losing his manager.

That's the point. A Rod played as the top player UNTIL he got the fat contract
You have to admit that in a contract year Pujols failed to hit 100 rbi's and reach 300 in average, of course he has a number of good years in him, i just wonder if he has 10 more good years in him.

Meantime, USAToday's Bob Nightengale reported an unidentified team made a third offer of at least 10 years in what is becoming the most expensive bidding war in baseball history.
I would never compare Albert with Lebron but you can't help but compare the NBA's marquee players run for south Florida with the MLB's poster boys potential departure to the same. Come on AP, your better than that.






Since: Jun 25, 2009
Posted on: December 7, 2011 12:58 am
 

Marlins pushing hard on Pujols, want answer soon

You bet they want an answer now, thats their income for the new stadium and a failing franchise. When someone says "creative offer" my mind starts to think that they made some other deals that could fall through and really cause a stir. They had to call in the commissioner's office to make sure they were in lines with the rules? They are allready being looked at about the funding of the stadium. If all they get is Pujols how long will that last? Reyes and Bell are not enough to backup Pujols to make a run for October. You need to hope J.J. comes back strong, Hanley needs to stay healthy all season and the rest of the pitching staff consistant because there will not be that much money left to sign the other players they need. But really, good luck Miami I wish you the best of luck.


How can a franchise moving in a beautiful and what they are calling a posh and upscale new ballpark be considered a "failing franchise"?   And what do you mean when yousay Reyes and Bell aren't good enough to back up Pujols for an October run? Reyes is one of the most electrifying players in baseball, even if he only plays 130 regular season games. As long as he finishes off the season and is ready if they make the playoffs then he's worth every dime.  Bell has about 130 saves the last 3 years and closes out 90 percent of his games, he's one of the best closers in MLB to say the least.  If they sign Pujols, that's an amazing addition.  Yeah, 6 or 7 years down the road it won't look as good but if they can make the playoffs a few times it'll more then pay for itself, let alone if they can win even one world series. 

As for money to sign other players, they have as much money as they want to spend.  There is no hard cap in baseball, just a luxury tax.  If they sell enough season tickets at a nice profit and make the playoffs where the owner pockets almost all of the money, they'll be just fine.  Good for the Marlins for finally spending some money and making their fans happy.  



Since: Jun 25, 2009
Posted on: December 7, 2011 12:45 am
 

Marlins pushing hard on Pujols, want answer soon

I would rather have Mauer whose  is building. 

Unless you just woke up from a coma you know Mauer's career is nowhere near building, if anything he's getting worse.... and fast.

In 2010 Mauer had 9 hr's and 75 rbi's with a .327 average.  Very nice stats, but not worth a 200 million dollar contract.  Last year he got hurt again but missed a lot more then his usual 20-25 games, he missed half the season.  His average dropped 40 points, he had almost nothing for power and only 30 rbi's.   Forget 2009, that aint happening again buddy.  That was what you call a fluke because he never came close to that many home runs before or since that season.  He's only hit 10 or more hr's twice in his career, and like I said even if he can stay healthy enough to do what he did 2 seasons ago he's not worth 200 million bucks.. no way.  

The only reason he got that money is because the Twins wanted to sell season tickets for their new ballpark.  Fans in Minnesota threatened to boycott the team if they didn't pay up for Morneau and Mauer... so the Twins obliged.  Now the Twins are forced to dump good players like Delmon Young and relievers like Nathan because they can't afford to field a good team.
 



Since: Jan 15, 2007
Posted on: December 7, 2011 12:43 am
 

Marlins pushing hard on Pujols, want answer soon

All he did AFTER he signed the fat contract is win 3 MVP'S and a world series and hit at least 30 Home Runs and drove in at least 100 RBI every year since for all 10 years. No point at all I guess.

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Since: Jan 15, 2007
Posted on: December 7, 2011 12:41 am
 

Marlins pushing hard on Pujols, want answer soon

That's the point. A Rod played as the top player UNTIL he got the fat contract
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All he did AFTER he signed the fat contract is win 3 MVP'S and a world series and hit at least 30 Home Runs and drove in at least  100 RBI 10 every year since. No point at all I guess.


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