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Cardinals continue with company in Pujols talks

Posted on: December 8, 2011 1:53 am
DALLAS -- The skies seemed to clear ever so briefly for the Cardinals on Wednesday when they learned that the Marlins were out of the Albert Pujols talks. Then the Los Angeles Angels jumped in, according to sources, and the fog has moved back in.

Also in the mix are an unidentified team that reportedly has offered 10 years and more than $200 million, and a Chicago Cubs' offer believed to be shorter term -- four or five years.

It is not clear when Pujols will make a decision. But multiple sources familiar with the talks said the Angels, rumored to have been involved with Pujols 24 hours earlier when they really were not in the mix, entered the bidding aggressively and seriously Wednesday.

Question is, for how long? The Angels also were working feverishly Wednesday night to wrap up a deal with free agent starting pitcher C.J. Wilson. If they come to terms with the left-hander, that almost certainly will preclude them from being able to add Pujols as well.

The agent for Pujols, Dan Lozano, could not be reached for comment. USA Today's Bob Nightengale reported that the Angels made what is believed to be 10-year offer worth at least $210 million. On Tuesday, the Cardinals came in strong with their first new offer since last February, reportedly 10 years at $220 million.

Rookie Angels general manager Jerry Dipoto was evasive earlier Wednesday afternoon when asked directly about Pujols, saying "We're trying to improve our club in a variety of different ways. Speculation is what speculation is. Our net is spread wide, but that's not necessarily where our focus is."

Dipoto said the Angels would like to add a starting pitcher, bullpen depth and a bat that would make the Angels deeper and more versatile.

While deep in talks with Wilson on Wednesday night, the Angels added free agent setup man LaTroy Hawkins on Wednesday night, agreeing to a one-year deal worth $3 million.

Meantime, sources said, the Angels had the pedal to the metal with Wilson and were hard after Pujols.

"We'll continue to have parallel talks, and that's not solely limited to a starting pitcher," Dipoto said earlier in the day. "You have to have the ability to break off and move in a different direction."

The entry of the Angels and an unidentified club into the Pujols sweepstakes had to add to the Cardinals' frustration over not being able to close this deal.

Talks between the Pujols Camp and the Marlins ended sometime around midday Wednesday, which sent the Marlins successfully recruiting in the direction of free agent starter Mark Buehrle. It was around that time that it became publicly clear that the Marlins were out on Pujols, and maybe the Cardinals thought they were home free.

You would think maybe they should be. As the Prince Fielder negotiations proceed slowly, agent Scott Boras held an informal media briefing late Wednesday night in which he dismissed the idea that the Pujols negotiations in any way would affect what he is doing with Fielder.

"The reasons St. Louis are interested in Albert are unique to Albert Pujols," Boras said. "He's dynamic, he has a history there, he's a franchise player, he's a great player ... he's the kind of player [of which] you should probably build a statue while he's playing. He's that kind of guy. He's a really unique player."

Clearly looking to plant seeds for Fielder as well while paying tribute to Pujols, Boras argued that retaining franchise players such as these two first basemen provides value to a club beyond what the player himself does.

"Certainly, the retention of players, I know Matt Holliday came to St. Louis and stayed in St. Louis because Albert Pujols was there," Boras said. "And I know another client of mine, Kyle Lohse, a big reason he wanted to win and go to St. Louis is because Albert Pujols was there.

"So those are two great examples of my clients who were attracted to and stayed in St. Louis because of an iconic player."

In his first foray into free agency, the question remains whether that iconic player will stay in place or move to greener pastures -- or, at least, pastures filled with more greenbacks.

Since: May 8, 2007
Posted on: December 8, 2011 5:36 pm

Cardinals continue with company in Pujols talks

 If it's all about winning and all about the fans I don't think it's ridiculous at all for an athlete to intentionally take less money.
To us it's about winning, to them it's a job.  I'm sure they love winning too but it's a job.  I mean, you really can't sit here and tell me you are denying 30-40 mil because you want to win.  Plus, it's not like he took that money and went to the Royals.  The Angels have a decent team around them and one of the easier routes to the playoffs.  Plus, it's California and not Missouri.

As for giving money to charity, what's the difference between "throwing money" at a charity you yourself started and anoter charity with a good reputation?  Why is one for publicity and the other one not?
Not much of a difference.  It was merely a way to show much more these guys do then donate.  Kind of overstating the fact that the previous guy believes not many athletes donate.  I'm saying most go above and beyond.

Who exactly is the "we" that is pumping money into baseball so these guys can be overpaid?
I'm merely stating that if you think these guys are overpaid then don't support their organization.  Don't buy jerseys and hats.  Don't buy a ticket to the game.  The reason they can be overpaid is buy the profits the baseball owners make over the product that the overpaid athletes put on the field.

Hey Dan "the Man".. Ever hear of a guy named Cliff Lee? Yeah, he left about 30 million on the table last year to go to a team he wanted to play for, so yes, player DO take less money on occasion. 
He took 30 mil less to play in Philadelphia, a place where he wants to live.  Some people will.  I'm not saying players haven't.  I'm saying that you wouldn't walk into work right now and tell your boss, "Look, I want this company to be a winner.  Cut my pay and hire another stud so we can do well and you can make more money."  It's ridiculous to think that.  

Get your head out of your ass, douche bag.
Quite the charmer.  I honestly expect nothing less from a Phillies fan. Keep the stereotype alive!

Since: Jan 15, 2008
Posted on: December 8, 2011 1:58 pm

Cardinals continue with company in Pujols talks

I'm a Pujols fan, but $220M just wouldn't quite feed the family?  We'll all meet back here in 7-8 years to join the conversation about how he's getting paid too much money and how his skills are deteriorating and how the Angels are still on the hook for a few more years.

Since: Apr 26, 2009
Posted on: December 8, 2011 12:19 pm

Cardinals continue with company in Pujols talks

You're right, the Royals are my home team, but I'm a Baseball fan in general, as well.  Hope the concept doesn't make your brain hurt too much.     

Since: Nov 27, 2011
Posted on: December 8, 2011 12:02 pm

Cardinals continue with company in Pujols talks

Well that figures! The very moment I hit the submit button from my latest rant bout Pujols possible joining of the Angels and how his mammoth contract would handcuff the organization...he goes and does it!!!!!  I guess its a good thing I don't make a living prognosticating. Now, let's see if they can sign C.J. and add another threatening mixture into this already potent lineup. In any regards, welcome King Albert to So. Cal. May you and your new teammates destroy the competition and bring us championship #2 and beyond.

Since: Oct 13, 2010
Posted on: December 8, 2011 10:31 am

Cardinals continue with company in Pujols talks

I've always been a huge Cardinal and Pujols fan but I'm glad they didn't spend $250M for him.  It's sad because he could have been an icon in the same breath as Musial but money talks.  For $250M we can get several players which combined might be best in the long run.  Still a sad day for St. Louis fans

Since: Sep 5, 2008
Posted on: December 8, 2011 10:23 am

Cardinals continue with company in Pujols talks

OK so the word is in, he's going to the Angels, 10 years for $250mil.  So he ran with the money.  So much for the ONE TEAM MAN, so much for the HOME in St Louis, so much for the loyalty to the team (oh come on, they offered $220mil for 10 years, when the money is that high what does $3mil mean anyway, he'll NEVER be able to spend it).  So Albert is running to CA for the bucks, when's the last time the Angels made the playoffs, let alone won anything.  Lost a lot of respect here Albert, but I guess it doesn't really matter anyway, it's always about the money.

Since: Sep 10, 2009
Posted on: December 8, 2011 10:20 am

Cardinals continue with company in Pujols talks

Come on, Albert, you gotta hold a press conference and announce to the world that you're taking your talents to Disneyland.

Since: Dec 30, 2006
Posted on: December 8, 2011 10:19 am

Cardinals continue with company in Pujols talks

I thought the 220 million the Marlins and Cards were talking about was crazy.  This is nutty, but if it brings 1 World Series championship, along with the fans that Albert brings in, it might be worth it...  I can't believe I just said that.....

Since: Nov 12, 2009
Posted on: December 8, 2011 10:12 am

Cardinals continue with company in Pujols talks

10 years....250 million!!!!! Just crazy!!!! Always was about the money!

Since: Nov 12, 2009
Posted on: December 8, 2011 10:08 am

Cardinals continue with company in Pujols talks

On his way the the Angels......see ya Albert!!!

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