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Savvy Yankees hit home run with Pineda, Kuroda

Posted on: January 13, 2012 9:40 pm
 
Their winter hibernation just ended. And just like that, the New York Yankees made themselves into AL East favorites.

Adding Michael Pineda from Seattle has all the earmarks of acquiring a young CC Sabathia or, ahem, Felix Hernandez -- the ace the Mariners wouldn't trade.

Adding Hiroki Kuroda on a one-year, $10 million deal adds the kind of rotation depth they could only dream of last summer -- and, presumably, a right-hander with more staying power than Bartolo Colon had.

"Wow," one scout said Friday night. "They've been laying in the weeds. They hadn't done anything."

Yes. Hadn't.

Though the Yankees gave up a consensus future star in young slugger-to-be Jesus Montero, exactly the kind of young bat the Mariners need and a great move for them, Pineda and Kuroda join CC Sabathia, Ivan Nova, Phil Hughes, A.J. Burnett and maybe even Freddy Garcia in giving the Yankees the talent, depth and clout their rotation needs to take them deep into October.

Just a few days after meeting with the representatives for free agent Edwin Jackson, the Yankees became the talk of the industry on what had been a slow Friday night with their stealth move for Pineda, who, at 22, already is within sight of becoming an ace.

"He's got that kind of stuff," a scout who spent part of last summer focusing on AL West clubs said Friday night. "If you wanted to be conservative, he's a No. 2. He's got velocity, he came up with a slider that got better and better last year and he throws strikes. When he gives up a home run or a hard-hit ball, it does not chase him out of the strike zone.

"He's got that rare combination of stuff and control. He's young, he's not afraid, he's big, he's still growing and he's got makeup. He's a prize.

"And the Yankees will have, what, five years of control over him? He's the kind of guy you build around. Holy cow."

The Mariners were worried about rushing him too quickly last summer when they installed him into their rotation coming out of spring training. He pretty much immediately showed them, no sweat.

By season's end, over 28 starts, he struck out 173 hitters while walking just 55 over 171 innings. His average fastball was clocked at 94.7 m.p.h., according to FanGraphs.

What's notable about that? The fastballs of only three other AL starters checked in higher: Texas' Alexi Ogando, Detroit's Justin Verlander and Tampa Bay's David Price.

Kuroda? He turns 37 next month. But he gave the Dodgers 202 innings in 2011, going 13-16 with a 3.07 ERA. He's a competitor with fierce pride.

"Solid No. 3," the scout said. "He throws strikes, he's got good stuff, a crisp fastball that's deceptive and he throws harder than people think. He's at 90 to 94 with sink down in the zone, a crisp breaking ball and a good split.

"He's got out pitches. I'd love to have Kuroda."

Now the Yankees do. And Pineda. And Sabathia and Nova and Hughes and Burnett. ...

And as they search for a hitter, for now, they've still got 6-8 right-hander Dellin Betances and lefty Manny Banuelos, who opened many eyes last spring.

"Hanging onto Betances and Banuelos [and with Pineda on board], they've got three young-gun studs who should pitch for them for a long time," the scout said. "And Nova's not that old and Hughes isn't that old.

"They've got the makings of a young, under-control staff."

Yeah, sure, why not? On a night on which the Yankees proved they're not sleeping through the winter, why not add to their opponents' misery just a little bit more?
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brian8ball
Since: Aug 3, 2011
Posted on: January 16, 2012 10:53 pm
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Since: Jun 25, 2009
Posted on: January 16, 2012 10:30 pm
 

Savvy Yankees hit home run with Pineda, Kuroda

And your friend REDWINGS1969 does not think ADDING Kuroda and Pineda makes the Yankees a better team.What are your thoughts

Hey stupid.  Learn to read and comprehend before you comment or respond to anything I say on these boards.  I simply pointed out that Kuroda is an older N.L pitcher, nobody knows how he's going to adjust to a new team in the A.L, let alone the A.L east and a home run park like Yankee Stadium.   

As for Pineda, I simply stuck with the facts, that's all.  The bottom line is he had a great first 3 months last season and a bad 3 months to end the season.  It was his first season as a starter, he was up and then he was down.  Once again nobody knows how he'll do....

You told the world multiple times that Verlander is overrated, yet a rookie that has 3 good months and an aging N.L veteran starting pitcher are going to save the day in New York.

You are an idiot. 


brian8ball
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Posted on: January 16, 2012 10:18 pm
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Since: May 29, 2009
Posted on: January 16, 2012 9:58 pm
 

Savvy Yankees hit home run with Pineda, Kuroda

wAs for the Yankees spending should Yankee fans feel sorry.And the Phillies and sox spend alot of money too.As for Cashman he does a good job,better than Theo did with the Sox,so why should he not have a job.I notice you in EVERY Yankee thread and that is fine,I think people should be able to go where they want Certain Tiger fans and you know who I am talking about cry when I go to the Tigers blogs.Speaking of the Tigers did you see they let Zumeya go to a DIVision rival,for next to nothing.Cashman whould never let that happen. The Tigers made the Playoffs last year so I am guessing they think they have a good team because everyone else is making trades and FA pickups yet the Tigers have done nothing.
I'm not in every Yankee thread, I just comment alot when it has to do with the MLB or NFL, those are the two professional sports I follow the most.  

I agree other teams spend alot of money, but Cashman has the most resources available hands down.  Can you imagine what the Yankees could be if they had a really good GM?  They would be next to impossible to beat.  The number of bad contracts he has signed players to would kill mid-market teams.  The Yankees getting to the playoffs hides alot of the poor moves, as the organization can absorb those type of contracts and it doesn't phase them.

With Zumaya -- I hate to see him go as he was one of my favorite Tigers to watch, but at some point Detroit had to cut ties with him.  He just couldn't stay healthy and lost some zip on his fastball.  I wish him nothing but the best though, just not when he plays Detroit.  LOL.

As far as the Tigers making any moves -- I told you in the other thread -- Detroit's biggest move was picking up Fister at the trade deadline and now having him in the rotation.  He went 8-1 with 1.79 ERA in 11 starts for Detroit.  They have him locked up for the next 5 years too.  The other positions Detroit need to upgrade -- There really isn't much out there unless you want to overpay and the talent is really thin.  2B and 3B are the toughest positions to fill.  Detroit already has a blue chip prospect in the minors for 3B (Costellanos), so they will make do with what they have right now.  

They have a ton of pitching in the minors, including one of the top prospects in Jacob Turner.  So the only move they need to make is sign a #5 starter to fill in till Turner is ready.  

The core of Detroit's team, with the exception of VMart, are all 28 or younger.  Verlander, Avila, Cabrera, Fister, Scherzer, Porcello, Austin Jackson, Brennan Boesch, Delmon Young.  Then Peralta is only 29.  So there isn't alot of moves the Tigers have to make -- Dombrowski set the team up so that there isn't alot of old vets they have to deal with.

I think Detroit will get in on the Cespedes sweepstakes, but I think he will end up in Miami, as they will offer him more money.  Other than that -- unless there is a trade to be made -- I don't see Detroit doing much this offseason, other than signing a #5 starter. 



Since: Jun 25, 2009
Posted on: January 16, 2012 9:15 pm
 

Savvy Yankees hit home run with Pineda, Kuroda

PINEDA,HUGHES,NOVA,BETANCES AND BANUELOS. GOOD FOR THE NEXT 10 YEARS.

LOL   HOLY CRAP !!  REALLY BRIAN??   Pineda was good for 3 months, Hughes has gotten progressively worse and so bad the Yankees have been trying to two years to trade him but there are no takers out there.   Bettances started appeared in 2 games and started one in his rookie season.  Banuelos wasn't even good in AAA last year.  ERA not too bad but not impressive for the minors and his whip of over 1.5 was horrid. 

Are you really THAT sure those guys are going to be good for 10 years?

If so,  you should be a gm in MLB because not even one GM knows for sure what any of those guys are going to do.  


brian8ball
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Posted on: January 16, 2012 8:49 pm
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brian8ball
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Since: Jun 25, 2009
Posted on: January 16, 2012 8:46 pm
 

Savvy Yankees hit home run with Pineda, Kuroda

Would rather have Pineda than Fister.Didn't Fiaster get figures out in the PLAYOFFS when his ERA was over 5.50

Hey crackhead.  When are you ever going to look up a stat before you hit the submit button?  Fister's era wasn't 5.50... either way, it wouldn't matter if it was because the bottom line as MikeD mentioned is Fister had 2 great games in the playoffs and one bad one, that's it.  The guy was one of MLB's best pitchers this year, end of story.  And for a first time starter the prior year he did well too....

Maybe you got confused Brian?  Maybe the 5.50 era you thought Fister had in the playoffs was closer to Pineda's era the last 3 months or last half of the season?  It was actually 5.30.....

Only a MORON would honestly take Pineda over Fister right now... a complete moron.

I guarantee you Cashman would trade Pineda and much more for Fister if he could.... as in right now.  No doubt about it Brian. There isn't a chance in hell he wouldn't make that trade.

You honestly believe if the  Tigers asked for the Yankees top pitching prospect for Fister Cashman wouldn't have jumped at that deal?

BAHAHAHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

AA.    Yeah right.... 


brian8ball
Since: Aug 3, 2011
Posted on: January 16, 2012 8:44 pm
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