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Brewers player rep: Testing problems in Milwaukee

Posted on: February 24, 2012 12:01 pm
PHOENIX, Ariz. -- As Ryan Braun reported to camp on Friday, Brewers player representative Chris Narveson said there have been issues with drug testing before in Milwaukee.

Specifically, with one of his own tests shortly after last summer's All-Star Game.

"Mine was more of a failure to communicate that I was getting tested," Narveson said Friday morning. "You're walking out the door in your street clothes an hour-and-a-half after the game and they come up to you and say, 'We forgot to tell you, you're getting tested.

"Errors like that can't happen."

Narveson added: "It's interesting, that's two instances for us with the same group of guys testing. .... One time can be an aberration."

The pitchers said that after he was collared late for testing when leaving the ballpark after already dressing, that they tightened things up "and tried to make sure they notified us" more promptly after a game.

Still, Narveson said the players firmly support drug testing. They just want things done right.

"I don't think there are flaws in the system," Narveson said. "If they follow protocol the whole way, I don't think we have an issue."

But he pointed out that the testers did not follow protocol with him. And, of course, a large part of Braun's dispute was that his specimen sat at the tester's home for more than 48 hours before being shipped where it was supposed to go.

"Ryan's sample sat for 48 hours," Narveson said. "Anybody can do anything [to] it."

Narveson and several Brewers also sharply criticized the system for allowing a leak in the first place. News of Braun testing positive for synthetic testosterone leaked to ESPN in December.

"Now that we look back, if this didn't get out, nobody hears about it," Narveson said. "Braun comes in today and there's four or five reporters saying, 'How was your off-season?'"

Since: Dec 1, 2009
Posted on: February 25, 2012 7:30 pm

Brewers player rep: Testing problems in Milwaukee

There have been a lot of comments about the relatively new formulations of steroids which quickly disappear from the system. I have to wonder just how effective these can be for the purpose of building or rebuilding muscle. (That is, either to bulk up or to rehab.) Either use would seem to me to require a sustained presence, because muscle tears don't heal in an instant. Now, I'm aware, in a general way, that the steroids break down into the chemicals which actually accomplish the healing, but my understanding is that these levels are also compared to baseline numbers. So, again, just how much of a difference can they actually achieve in real-world terms?

Keep in mind, Big Head and the Acne-Backed Kids seem to be in the rear-view mirror in the Bigs.

Since: Sep 20, 2006
Posted on: February 25, 2012 3:08 pm

Brewers player rep: Testing problems in Milwaukee

Wow look at all these haters.

 (1)Matt Kemp blah blah, Drew Brees had MVP numbers and lost to Arron Rodgers because Rodgers played on a team with a better record. I do not here Saints fans crying or Pats fans for that matter looking at Brady's numbers. (Patriot fans will cry about anything)

 (2) Baseball wanted Braun to be cleared.  Yeah, the statement they released sure sounded like MLB is overjoyed by this.
 We were not supposed to even know he failed the test until today so I guess it gave everybody a way to talk all winter over nothing. I am glad to see this go through for Ryan not only cause I'm a Brewers fan but because it goes to show MLB that there are problems with their testing program and maybe they will go out and fix them.

I know there are many other cynical responses to Braun's guilt and whatever the case maybe he was found innocent, even though 80% percent of the comments from day one said he was guilty

 I am glad to live in America where you're guilty until proven innocent and even then you're still guilty once you're found innocent.

Can we all just get passed this now and actually enjoy the season?

Since: Dec 28, 2006
Posted on: February 24, 2012 11:43 pm

Brewers player rep: Testing problems in Milwaukee

The sample could've sat for weeks.... as long as it was properly recorded and sealed.  They aren't testing for pathogens... coliforms... yeast/mold... or anything that would grow or reduce.  Its a urine test for testosterone.

Since: Mar 12, 2007
Posted on: February 24, 2012 11:14 pm

Brewers player rep: Testing problems in Milwaukee

Something tells me Braun's sample sat in the house of a Cardinals fan.  Dirty birds.

Since: Oct 18, 2006
Posted on: February 24, 2012 10:40 pm

Brewers player rep: Testing problems in Milwaukee

I was subject to random testing for over 20 years and the first step is the the notification. The next step is collection and the third step is the chain of process. Regrdless of what an individual has or hasn't done, if the chain of custody is invalidated the entire test and result is too. It's as simple as that. Taking a sample home for 48 before sending it for processing is a clear cut violation of the chain of custody and there is no subsequent test, period, end of discussion, next.

Since: Mar 23, 2008
Posted on: February 24, 2012 9:29 pm

Brewers player rep: Testing problems in Milwaukee

There is a lot more to this case than we know.  the leak is the first problem.   That is bothersome to me.   Then we find the sample sat for two days.  there is more than one thing wrong with what went on here and for those of you convinced the guy was juicing why is the test was so abnormally high, there was a leak, and there was a lack of following the porotocol?  Coincidence?  There are too many bizarre things about this case.   There was a reason the appeal was granted folks....we just don't have all the facts.

Since: Jan 5, 2010
Posted on: February 24, 2012 9:09 pm

Brewers player rep: Testing problems in Milwaukee

The only real flaw in the test is that you can't test for Test and HGH with a urine test. What a joke.

Since: May 26, 2010
Posted on: February 24, 2012 8:05 pm

Brewers player rep: Testing problems in Milwaukee

I hope many of you realize that many of the HGH and steroids that you can now get, make their way out of your system in a few hours after you take them. You could take a drug test in the morning and fail it and take one in the afternoon and pass it. That is why testing for HGH in the future will be limited in how well it works. The fact is that people will always have ways to beat the system.

Since: May 6, 2011
Posted on: February 24, 2012 7:38 pm

Brewers player rep: Testing problems in Milwaukee

@packerfan1964. I take testosterone on a daily basis due to Testicular Cancer and it only stays in your system for 48 hours and then the levels diminish dramatically. So a week later would have made a big difference.  He could have juiced and then stopped because he knew he failed the first test. It really does not matter because MLB dropped the ball with there’re flawed testing system. Anyone is a fool to think this guy is innocent. He just got off on a technicality. I say more power to him for having a good attorney but he better be careful in the future! Do you really think someone spiked his urine…come on get real….

Since: May 30, 2009
Posted on: February 24, 2012 6:57 pm

Brewers player rep: Testing problems in Milwaukee

I have always liked this kid and still like him. Most of what I wanted to say has already been said but I must add the fact that was presented that Ryan Braun has had 50 drug test and 4 in 2011. With that said I would feel like that a smart kid like him in no way knowing that the test will come and in no way that he would want to risk millions of dollars in salary that he would do such. After being married 45 years to the same wonderful lady it would be like cheating on your wife and knowing for a fact that the next day you would have to fess up and face the music. Not hardly and not hardly did this kid risk so much to gain so little. What I just wonder is how many others just gave up and did not challenge the system and took the punishment and really were not guilty. Maybe we all need to take a step back and not rush to judgement on any player for any reason. I would hope that all of the fans in all of the parks that he and his team visits in the upcoming season will not do to him what they have done to many others that have really done drugs and admitted to such. Give the kid a break and let us all be good sports and just enjoy the game. For me I am a really happy camper as this kid  was the heart of my winning fantasy team last season as a keeper now will take me to victory in 2012. Good Luck!

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