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Searching for the Yankees "idiot". ...

Posted on: April 21, 2008 5:44 pm

Welcome to the New York Yankees manager's chair, Joe Girardi.

Are you an idiot?

Only chip-off-the-old-block Hank Steinbrenner knew exactly the point he was trying to make when he told the New York Times that "you have to be an idiot" to "have a guy with a 100-mile-per-hour fastball and keep him as a setup guy."

The guy, of course, is Joba Chamberlain. And Steinbrenner's early frustration is understandable, given that the Yankees have been sluggish out of the gate over these first three weeks largely because Phil Hughes and Ian Kennedy are a combined 0-5 with a 9.20 ERA.

When ferreting out the idiot of whom Steinbrenner spoke, here are two very important points to remember:

-- Girardi last winter signed a three-year, $7.5 million deal to manage the Yankees that runs through 2010.

-- General manager Brian Cashman is working in the final year of his contract, and the club so far appears not to have made much of an effort to re-sign him.

That doesn't mean Cashman is a short-timer as Yankees GM. Far from it.

But as this situation develops, and as the season plays out, it definitely bears watching.

During a conversation at the club's complex in Tampa this spring, Steinbrenner was complimentary of Cashman but declined to say if or when he would get around to talking with the GM about his future beyond 2008.

"I've known Cash a long time," Steinbrenner said. "He's been with our family a long time."

Steinbrenner said then that he would discuss the future with Cashman during the season, but wouldn't be pinned down on a time.

"It'll happen when it happens," Steinbrenner said then. "The big thing with Brian is the organization he's put in place. This is not going to be based on one decision. Damon Oppenheimer as the chief of scouting obviously has paid off huge. The way he's worked with Mark Newman (senior vice-president of the Tampa-based part of the Yanks baseball operations) and Joe Girardi. ..."

So ... who's the Idiot in Yankee-land?

Could it be Girardi, who left Chamberlain out of the rotation to begin the season?

Cashman, who obviously is one of the point men in that decision?

During that same conversation this spring, Steinbrenner spoke glowingly of Girardi.

"I love what he does," Steinbrenner said. "I love what he's doing. I really do. It's more a combination of things. (The players) like him and respect him, and I think there's even a little fear. He can be intimidating. He's a tough guy."

The plan all along has been to start the 22-year-old Chamberlain in the bullpen as a way of controlling his innings-pitched odometer. At three different minor-league levels and with the Yankees last season, he threw a combined total of 112 1/3 innings.

Say he opened the season as a starter and averaged six innings a start -- he'd already be at the 112-inning mark in his 19th start. And that's barely halfway through a full season. Big-league starters usually make somewhere around 32, 33 starts per summer.

Point is, the opposite of Steinbrenner's statement is true, too: You would have to be an idiot to put a still-developing Chamberlain into the rotation and expect him not to wear out before the finish line.

It was an organizational decision this spring -- not the edict of one man, like Girardi or Cashman -- to use Chamberlain as a set-up man early and then move him into the rotation later this season.

But like anything else when a fiery Steinbrenner is in charge of the Yankees, one man just may take the blame if the whole thing goes up in smoke.

Girardi? Cashman?

Perhaps neither.

We all know Johnny Damon was a self-proclaimed Idiot when he was playing for Boston in his previous life.

You don't suppose Steinbrenner was referring to him, do you?



Since: Apr 3, 2008
Posted on: April 23, 2008 12:24 pm

Searching for the Yankees "idiot". ...

This team has a sideshow unlike any other! My question is what the hell does Hanky Panky know about baseball anyway other than the fact that it involves a bat and a ball? Chamberlain would not be throwing 100 mph if he was expected to go six innings a start. If he is trying to be like his dad used to be then good luck. Clearly they are doing this to distract people from the way this team is playing and outside of home runs off bad White Sox relievers they aren't lightings too many teams up. They need to give these young guys a chance to rebound and LEAVE CHAMBERLAIN WHERE HE IS. We see what happened after Girardi burned those young Florida arms out, hopefully he won't do it again. Speaking of burning out young arms, look out Cueto and Volquez.......SAVE THEM JOCKETTY!!

Since: Jan 9, 2007
Posted on: April 21, 2008 9:54 pm

Searching for the Yankees "idiot". ...

my applogies in advance for the spelling

Since: Jan 9, 2007
Posted on: April 21, 2008 9:53 pm

Searching for the Yankees "idiot". ...

THE YANKEES HAVE A better record right now, than they did last year. The 2007 playoof bound Yankees ,of last year.  Thing about and digest that fact.. then watch and read -sportstalk internet, tv and radio fro 2 seconds , with their neverending Yankees collapse coverage.. Then thikn to yourself.. whiy to people hate the media.

Since: Aug 18, 2006
Posted on: April 21, 2008 9:24 pm

Searching for the Yankees "idiot". ...

The idiot is Hank Steinbrenner. To take a pitcher with Jobas ability and throw him into the rotation now is begging to make him the next mark prior, kerry wood, rich harden. pitchers with/had electric arms who can't stay healthy. Do you have him as a starter now and done at the all-star break? do you have him as a starter and  pitch him all year and in likelyhood ruin his career? No you start him in the bullpen , stretch him out around late june early july and you have him for the rest of the year and hopefully post season. Also even though he has filthy stuff he's young and will suffer his bumps and growing pains, remember hughes/bucholz are regarded as good if not better prospects and we've seen their struggles. Hank talks about 100 mph but as a starter he'll pitch consistently around 93-95 which is exceptional but with players of his body type ie. a zumaya or our own sanchez there is a big concern with durability. Even if this is a wasted year but we have wang,joba,phil,pettite in the rotation next year with a real no. 1 they'll be scary. let ian pitch middle relief and after 09 when pettite retires he can move into the rotation. If you recall Johan Sant.ana pitched out of the pen for a couple years and not to rain on anyones parade but ians a no 4 starter and no 3 at best if he pans out. Cashman may have a blank check but he spent most of his time cleaning up george's messes. if he ran the org. fully during his tenure we would he seen another run with young talent like we did in 96-2000. I could go on forever but if you remember our success in 96-2000 it was when gene michaels built the club with players obtained mostly when george was banned.

Since: Mar 13, 2008
Posted on: April 21, 2008 8:59 pm

Searching for the Yankees "idiot". ...

I wouldnt be surprised if hank was refering to himself as an idiot because of some of the junk hes done. He needs to run the team under his own thoughts and not under his fathers, or else there was no point in having him run the show. On some parts they dont have a clue what there doing right or wrong, but i wouldnt know either with that much money.

Brian Cashman can be an idiot too, the fact that we let Santana go when weve had a struggling rotation for the past couple years, and pass on a chance to land him is CRAZY. Why would we take Hawkins for example this off season and pass on Santana so easily not willing to give a bit more? we have so much money under our belts comming from the 'sbrenners i dont get it. Some of the moves hes made and hasnt made point him out as an Idiot and as a fan make me sick.
And dont bring up moving Joba into the rotation yet,  we bring him out at the beginning and it could possibly wear him out,  we WILL want him at his best LATER IN THE SEASON, being so young he would most likely wear himself out or get hurt now. to me that risk isnt worth the reward.

Finally i say people who are throwing a bunch of blame on Girardi for a sluggish start are idiots. The guy just came into arguable one of the toughest(considering hes got the Steinbrenners up his rear),  and the most 'in the spot light' manager jobs there is. who else would you rather have? they would have just as hard of a time. Give him a break, yea maybe he knew what he was going for but you cant always bang it out from the start for cruds sake. Its early in the season, and us fans cant judge him yet he needs to get s feel. But i do question some of his staff, such as trainers and prep coaches with the injuries weve had. I hope those are just dumb luck. common yanks!

Since: Mar 8, 2007
Posted on: April 21, 2008 8:52 pm

Searching for the Yankees "idiot". ...

I think it is Scott Miller

Since: Mar 25, 2008
Posted on: April 21, 2008 8:33 pm

Searching for the Yankees "idiot". ...

Only reason Huges and Kennedy were HOT prospects is cause they were Yankee prospects. Teams overvauled yankee garbage in the 90's and got killed for it (see seattle martiners in the Tino Martinez trade).

Since: Oct 3, 2006
Posted on: April 21, 2008 7:51 pm

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look no further than the Yankee ownership.

"He's been with our family a long time."
FAMILY?? C'mon Hank!
'Family' is usually comprised of those brought up in the same home (or farm system)
Now you wanna cry foul when the team, which has been a free agent black hole, gets off to
a poor start? Oh so laughable. It's only April and the meddling has already begun.
(although Cashman seems to be willing to keep the homegrown pitchers)

Is it any wonder baseball purists in other MLB cities despise the Yankee empire?
I only hope NY can punch a playoff ticket, and get served (again) by the Halos.
George, Hank....or say? How about Isaiah? I hear he's looking for work.

Since: Jan 4, 2008
Posted on: April 21, 2008 7:21 pm

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I sincerely believe that Hank Steinbrenner is referring to Brian Cashman and not Joe Girardi.

The cause or root of this frustration I believe is rooted in the Johan Santana deal. Lets be frank... the Mets got Johan Santana for nothing... a bunch of prospects. An established dominating pitcher for 4 "hot" prospects. Sorry but I think the Yankees missed the boat on this one. Brian Cashman was handed a blank check and told go out and get my winning team. Hank wanted Johan. Everyone knows that. I wanted Johan Santana as well.

Behind the scenes I am going to speculate that Cashman said Hank stick with my young guns its going to pan out well. Now the frustration begins...  as Hank sees is era... his moment in Yankee lore with a new stadium opening next year... to have at best an average or still rebuilding team. Andy Pettitte is no spring chicken... Mike Mussina is riding the train to nowhere... I mean look at the Yankee potential starting rotation if the Johan Santana deal is made:

  1. Johan Santana
  2. Chien-Ming Wang
  3. Andy Pettitte
  4. Mike Mussina
  5. Ian Kennedy/Phil Hughes (depending on how the trade went) or Joba Chamberlain

Bull Pen

  • Mariano Rivera
  • Joba Chamberlain
  • Brian Bruney
  • Kyle Farnsworth
  • Latroy Hawkins
  • etc.

I think I like this look better than what we went with this year.. my humble opinion... but this is what the Yankees Rotation and Bull Pen should look like.

Since: Mar 25, 2008
Posted on: April 21, 2008 6:49 pm

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The idiot is Cashman for having a blank check and not being able to win. This gets glossed over as nonsense, but really, he can have any player at any time and he cant get out of the first round of the playoffs anymore? And this guy will be a hot commodity when he does get fired... how? If he cant run a team with unlimited funds how would he run any other ball club.

HANK is any idiot for stealing his dads act. Be yourself retard, daddy handed you billions, so now you are a clone not a son?

Giardi is an idiot for managing the yankees. If he wins the world series GREAT its an expectation. A dog could manage the yankees. Anyone not within 5 miles of yankee stadium who likes the yankees is an idiot.. WOW you picked a favorite team that has won 26 world series, way to take a risk.

Anyone who gets up for the RED SOX YANKEES rivalry is an idiot. Everyone on both teams could get a rats azz, remember if a yankee/redsock is a FA any only the yanks/sox are offering contracts the player will choose the team based strictly on money not some made up rivalry (a rivalry is one team repeadidly kicking the crap out of another for 80 years? Thats a domination not a rivalry.


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