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Griffey's 600th means even more today

Posted on: June 9, 2008 11:27 pm
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Think about this for a minute:

It took Ken Griffey Jr. a total of 1,722 at-bats to move from career homer No. 500 to career homer 600, which he slugged on Monday night in Florida.

It took Barry Bonds only 710 at-bats to cover the same distance from 500 to 600.

Each man hit No. 600 when he was 38.

Think there was a level playing field?

Granted, Griffey has had his share of injuries, which is why nearly four years elapsed between No. 500, struck on June 20, 2004, and 600. He missed the second half of the 2004 season with a torn hamstring, and he missed nearly a month of the 2006 season with a strained knee.

It took Bonds barely more than one year to move from 500 to 600 -- from April 17, 2001, to Aug. 9, 2002.

The years can be skewed. Say one player stays healthy and the other is injury-plagued -- well, of course it will take longer for the player battling the disabled list.

But at-bats are a pretty good barometer.

I knew Bonds moved along at a breakneck clip in the early 2000s. But when I contacted home run guru David Vincent, who tracks homers for the Society for American Baseball Research and is the country's premier expert on the subject, even I was stunned.

The fact that it took Griffey roughly 1,000 more at-bats than Bonds to move from 500 to 600 is staggering. Even suspecting what most of us suspect about Bonds and the Steroid Era.

A junkie (home runs, not human growth hormone) could spend hours poring over Vincent's fascinating spreadsheets.

A handful of other relative home run numbers gleaned from Vincent's numbers:

Of the six members of the 600-homer club, nobody was even remotely as quick as Bonds in moving from No. 500 to 600. It took Babe Ruth 1,120 at-bats to do so, Sammy Sosa 1,605, Hank Aaron 1,402 and Willie Mays 1,981.

Time-wise, it took Ruth barely more than two years (Aug. 11, 1929, to Aug. 21, 1931) to go from 500 to 600, Aaron a little less than three years (July 14, 1968, to April 27, 1971), Mays nearly four years on the nose (Sept. 13, 1965, to Sept. 22, 1969) and Sosa a little more than four years (April 4, 2003, to June 20, 2007).

Of course, Sosa was out of the game in 2006 -- partly for reasons beyond suspicious -- else he would have gotten there more quickly.

Bonds finished -- if he is indeed finished -- with 762 home runs in 9,847 at-bats.

Griffey currently is at 600 in 9,045 at-bats. And had he not lost an estimated 450 games to the disabled list from the time he arrived in Cincinnati in 2000 through 2005, his number today undoubtedly would be far higher than 600.

Probably not as high as 762.

But at least Griffey almost certainly can look himself in the mirror today and know he is the first clean guy to join the 600 club since Aaron in 1971.

In a statistics-driven game that is still wiping the steroids muck off of the record book, some things are more important than the raw numbers.

UofP_Pilots
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Posted on: June 10, 2008 12:38 am
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Griffey's 600th means even more today

Awesome article, and very interesting (though not surprising) stats.  Griffey is, as far as this reader in concerned, the greatest baseball player of this generation.  It's sad that he lost so much time to injury, who knows what he would have accomplished.  More than all this he's a good guy and one who I've never suspected of steroid use for a minute.  600 is an amazing accomplishment for a guy who's lost basically 3 seasons of a career, and it couldn't have come to a more deserving player.



schelly-b
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Posted on: June 10, 2008 12:51 am
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Griffey's 600th means even more today

Griffey is a class act, a shoe-in for the Hall of Fame, and deserves far more recognition that he gets.  The guy had some tough years in Cincy hen he was on the DL a lot and people were suggesting that he wasn't out there for the team.  But how many guys come back from injuries with just physical therapy anymore?  I've seen in other articles that he would be interested in going back to Seattle...  here's one M's fan in the middle of a dismal season that would love to see him back in the house that Griffey built!



Chilly D
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Posted on: June 10, 2008 6:59 am
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Griffey's 600th means even more today

I am so happy for Junior that he finally reached this historic mark. It couldn't have happened to a nicer guy. And in this steroid era of baseball, I have never, ever heard his name mentioned in any of that crap. He's done it the right way his entire career. Whenever I take my kids to the games, I tell them that they're watching greatness and to strive to do things the right way like Griffey. I've seen Junior hit many home runs with that sweet swing of his, but I just wish he'd have waited one day to hit this one. I have tickets to tonight's game and hoped he'd do it tonight. But, oh well....it'll be just as nice watching 601 (and more) leave the park!!!



mbb5
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Posted on: June 10, 2008 7:21 am
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Pure Baseball

I don't know him personally so I can't comment on whether or was a nice guy or a good guy, but from a baseball standpoint, he was pure - offensively and defensively.   I don't know how many, but it seems most of his injuries were the rest of crashing into walls and diving for catches on the defensive end.  I wish he got more coverage and cheers for what he has accomplished.

BTW, how many home runs would he have if you used a net number - home runs hit plus home runs taken away from others?!?!?!



dcrum35
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Posted on: June 10, 2008 8:55 am
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Griffey's 600th means even more today

One of the sweetest swings of all time.  Hesimply was The Natural.   If he hadn't missed so many games this decade you would (hopefully)be watching him hit 701 tonight instead of 601.  It is just so sad that Sosa and Bonds and McGuire and the rest of them have ruined this day.  This is a huge baseball milestone and it has hardly received any press.  Oh well, true fans know we are watching the last couple of years of one of the all time greats: Griffey, not Bonds



andyj77
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Posted on: June 10, 2008 9:58 am
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Griffey's 600th means even more today

Big Congrats to Ken Griffey Jr.  What an awesome milestone to reach! 



m31241
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Posted on: June 10, 2008 10:10 am
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Griffey's 600th means even more today

In my eyes, Griffy is the true new Home Run King.  If not for injury and steriods (Yeah I am talking about the cheater Bonds) then he would have hit more than Ruth and probaly be close to Aaron by now.  Griffy has been a class act and is a true natural through out his carreer.

 

 at least Griffey almost certainly can look himself in the mirror today and know he is the first clean guy to join the 600 club since Aaron in 1971



Mr. Teacher Man
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Posted on: June 10, 2008 10:12 am
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Griffey's 600th means even more today

It always brings a smile to your face to watch Ken Griffey, Jr. to play this game.  He always plays with such enthusiasm and joy, that you can't help but feel some of that yourself.  I am glad for Junior to finally make it.  It feels like we have been counting down to 600 for some time.  He earned it.  He certainly didn't cheat his way to it.  I just hope that everyone considers that in the distant future when we look at the sluggers of this age.  I think everyone now knows how much it took for him to get there fighting through injuries and disappointments.  I just hope that what we remember about Griffey carries over to future generations and they remember him as a true baseball player who stood out among many others in this generation of players who should not.



Cusefan8796
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Posted on: June 10, 2008 11:41 am
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Griffey's 600th means even more today

Greatest Player of the Steriod ErA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Facesmashers
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Posted on: June 10, 2008 12:05 pm
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Griffey's 600th means even more today

While I agree about the steriods part, lets not add the injuries in there in comparison to Aaron and Ruth. It's not like those guys went a whole career without them. They probably played through them back then which would only hurt their HR to AB ratio. There is much to respect in Griffey - NO DOUBT- , but the Home Run King is and will be for a long time Hank Aaron. He did it in a era of better pitching and had to fight through racial issues Griffey can only begin to understand. I rate Griffey #3 all time, but #1 modern day. Look out for ARod. His numbers are impressive, and he has not had Griffeys injury bug. No matter what I'll always value Griffey higher than ARod.



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