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A breakdown of the player rankings

Posted on: October 27, 2008 2:49 pm
Edited on: October 30, 2008 11:43 pm

Now that the player rankings are done I thought it might be a good time to look at the results.

So what I did was break the rankings down by number of players per team.

(Note: The rankings consisted of the top 40 points and combos, 30 wings and 30 big men for a total of 100 players.)

Here's a list of the schools best represented.

Teams with four players in the rankings

  • Connecticut: A.J. Price, Kemba Walker, Hasheem Thabeet, Jeff Adrien
  • Gonzaga: Jeremy Pargo, Matt Bouldin, Austin Daye, Josh Hetyvelt
  • North Carolina: Ty Lawson, Wayne Ellington, Danny Green, Tyler Hansbrough
  • Syracuse: Jonny Flynn, Paul Harris, Arinze Onuaku, Eric Devendorf

Teams with three players in the rankings

  • Louisville: Earl Clark, Terrence Williams, Samardo Samuels
  • Memphis: Tyreke Evans, Antonio Anderson, Robert Dozier
  • Michigan State: Kalin Lucas, Raymar Morgan, Delvon Roe
  • Pittsburgh: Levance Fields, DeJuan Blair, Sam Young
  • Texas: A.J. Abrams, Damion James, Connor Atchley
  • UCLA: Darren Collison, Jrue Holiday, Josh Shipp

Teams with two players in the rankings

  • Alabama: Ron Steele, JaMychal Green
  • Arizona: Chase Budinger, Jordan Hill
  • Arizona State: James Harden, Jeff Pendergraph
  • Clemson: K.C. Rivers, Trevor Booker
  • Duke: Kyle Singler, Gerald Henderson
  • Georgetown: DaJuan Summers, Greg Monroe
  • Kansas: Sherron Collins, Cole Aldrich
  • Marquette: Jerel McNeal, Dominic James
  • Nevada: Armon Johnson, Luke Babbitt
  • Notre Dame: Kyle McAlarney, Luke Harangody
  • Oklahoma: Willie Warren, Blake Griffin
  • Southern California: DeMar DeRozan, Taj Gibson
  • Tennessee: Tyler Smith, Scotty Hopson
  • Wake Forest: James Johnson, Al-Farouq Aminu

What I found interesting in this is that Syracuse has a pretty damn good roster for a team officially picked to finish eighth in the Big East. With Jonny Flynn, Eric Devendorf, Paul Harris and Arinze Onuaku, it's clear the Orange have a talented group of returning players, which is why I'd like to go on record and predict Syracuse will be the biggest surprise of any team in America. I think I've finally decided I like this team. Better late than never, right?

Anyway, if you want to see how the player rankings broke down by conference, I did that too.

Big East (23 players ranked)

  • Connecticut (4): A.J. Price, Kemba Walker, Hasheem Thabeet, Jeff Adrien
  • Syracuse (4): Jonny Flynn, Paul Harris, Arinze Onuaku, Eric Devendorf
  • Louisville (3): Earl Clark, Terrence Williams, Samardo Samuels
  • Pittsburgh (3): Levance Fields, DeJuan Blair, Sam Young
  • Georgetown (2): DaJuan Summers, Greg Monroe
  • Marquette (2): Jerel McNeal, Dominic James
  • Notre Dame (2): Kyle McAlarney, Luke Harangody
  • Cincinnati (1): Deonta Vaughn
  • Villanova (1): Scottie Reynolds
  • West Virginia (1): Devin Ebanks

ACC (15 players ranked)

  • North Carolina (4): Ty Lawson, Wayne Ellington, Danny Green, Tyler Hansbrough
  • Clemson (2): K.C. Rivers, Trevor Booker
  • Duke (2): Kyle Singler, Gerald Henderson
  • Wake Forest (2): James Johnson, Al-Farouq Aminu
  • Boston College (1): Tyrese Rice
  • Georgia Tech (1): Iman Shumpert
  • Maryland (1): Greivis Vasquez
  • Miami (1): Jack McClinton
  • Virginia Tech (1): A.D. Vassallo

Big 12 (12 players ranked)

  • Texas (3): A.J. Abrams, Damion James, Connor Atchley
  • Kansas (2): Sherron Collins, Cole Aldrich
  • Oklahoma (2): Willie Warren, Blake Griffin
  • Baylor (1): Curis Jerrells
  • Iowa State (1): Craig Brackins
  • Missouri (1): DeMarre Carroll
  • Oklahoma State (1): James Anderson
  • Texas A&M (1): Josh Carter

SEC (11 players ranked)

  • Alabama (2): Ron Steele, JaMychal Green
  • Tennessee (2): Tyler Smith, Scotty Hopson
  • Florida (1): Nick Calathes
  • Kentucky (1): Patrick Patterson
  • LSU (1): Marcus Thornton
  • Mississippi State (1): Jarvia Varnado
  • Ole Miss (1): Chris Warren
  • South Carolina (1): Devan Downey
  • Vanderbilt (1): A.J. Ogilvy

Pac-10 (10 players ranked)

  • UCLA (3): Darren Collison, Jrue Holiday, Josh Shipp
  • Arizona (2): Chase Budinger, Jordan Hill
  • Arizona State (2): James Harden, Jeff Pendergraph
  • Southern California (2): DeMar DeRozan, Taj Gibson
  • Washington (1): Jon Brockman

Big Ten (seven players ranked)

  • Michigan State (3): Kalin Lucas, Raymar Morgan, Delvon Roe
  • Michigan (1): Manny Harris
  • Ohio State (1): B.J. Mullens
  • Purdue (1): Robbie Hummel
  • Wisconsin (1): Trevon Hughes

Non-BCS (22 players ranked)

  • Gonzaga (4): Jeremy Pargo, Matt Bouldin, Austin Daye, Josh Hetyvelt
  • Memphis (3): Tyreke Evans, Antonio Anderson, Robert Dozier
  • Nevada (2): Armon Johnson, Luke Babbitt
  • BYU (1): Lee Cummard
  • Davidson (1): Stephen Curry
  • Dayton (1): Chris Wright
  • Rider (1): Ryan Thompson
  • Saint Mary's (1): Patrick Mills
  • Siena (1): Kenny Hasbrouck
  • Temple (1): Dionte Christmas
  • Tennessee-Martin (1): Lester Hudson
  • Tulsa (1): Jerome Jordan
  • UAB (1): Robet Vaden
  • UTEP (1): Stefon Jackson
  • Virginia Commonwealth (1): Eric Maynor
  • Xavier (1): Derrick Brown
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Since: Mar 1, 2007
Posted on: October 29, 2008 11:03 am

A breakdown of the player rankings


I don't quite know how to say this but have you watched Syracuse play? They got to pad their stats? Are you kidding me? Your basically saying that because we were 7 deep instead of 9 deep that Arinze was padding his stats? Your dead wrong and your analysis could not be further from the truth or more biased. Onuaku had Rick Jackson, Kristof Onganeat and Donte Greene up front with him last year. The cuse was missing depth in the backcourt and on the wings not the frontcourt so you are incorrect. Devendorf is a solid guard. Because he was hurt last year means nothing. Fact is he was averaging 17 ppg up until he got hurt against ETSU. Also the SU guys got those numbers playing in the toughest conference in the country.. their rankings are well deserved. Name four big guys in the Big Ten you would take over Onuaku at C to begin this season and I will gladly explain to you why you are incorrect. If you don't truly know about a certain team or its players I would advise you hesitate the speculation. Its clear you feel Purdues entire roster deserves to be on the list of rankings. Oh and by the way Devendorf's game is slashing to the basket and finding the open man. The outside shot is not his motto. He can shoot it from deep with the best of them but thats not just what he is about. He is one of the best at getting to the lane.. and you can't deny that one. Fields is only the guy that single handedly pushed Pitt over the top last year against Duke, Vaughn is a bigtime gamer. He would we bigtime anywhere he played don't fool yourself. While I respect your opinion of your own players and would expect you have an understanding of them, making such comparisons by putting down Big East players you know little of is incorrect. Lobby for your guys to make it .. sure so we extend the list out to include them. But you don't have a case for comparison based on your dejections of the Syracuse players. Parrish is right in that this team is going to surprise a lot of people. I was even surprised at a few things I have seen in the early practices. Get your facts straight bud.

Since: Dec 21, 2006
Posted on: October 28, 2008 11:50 pm

A breakdown of the player rankings

I'm glad I'm not the only one absolutely stunned E'twaun isn't on the list.  He is going to blow up this year and that's not the Purdue homer talking in me, that's the bball fan that watched him takeover games repeatedly February on last season.

Since: Feb 8, 2007
Posted on: October 28, 2008 12:06 pm

A breakdown of the player rankings

I addressed this is Tuesday's .


Since: Oct 19, 2008
Posted on: October 28, 2008 12:55 am

A breakdown of the player rankings

I just wanted to add to my last post (since I can't edit it???) that I understand that the categories made some players (PG types) more likely to be ranked than others (wings).  That is a natural bias of the system Gary is using.  More players are arguably "wings" than either of the other two groups, yet the PGs had 10 more spots, which I think is an obvious flaw in the methodology.  For instance, none of the recruiting services used for the RSCI consensus rankings had Iman Shumpert rated ahead of William Buford, but Shumpert is included in Gary's rankings and Buford isn't because Shumpert (unlike Buford) is considered a PG.  Devendorf gets ranked instead of E'Twaun Moore, not because he's actually a better player, but because he's considered to be more of a combo guard than Moore.  You also get guys like Deonta Vaughn ranked instead of Kevin Coble and Marcus Landry because Vaughn is a PG type and Coble and Landry are wings, even though the difference in quality between the three of them is negligible.  The Big East at least perception-wise has more good PGs and CGs, which is one of the main reasons why they had the most players ranked.  Ranking more PGs and CGs led to the absurd result of not ranking players like E'Twaun Moore and Evan Turner because they're perceived more as wings than CGs.  At any rate, I don't think it's completely fair to lump Evan Turner into the "wing" category because he actually ran the point some for OSU last year and would do it again if he had to.

Since: Oct 19, 2008
Posted on: October 27, 2008 11:54 pm

A breakdown of the player rankings

Well, maybe Gary just overlooked some good Big 10 players. 

Ohio State had four guys that Gary noted in a previous blog entry were projected NBA draft picks by the DraftExpress guys, but Gary thought only one was good enough to be ranked.  Ohio State had the single greatest disparity between the DraftExpress mock drafts and Gary's projections. 

OSU's David Lighty is a guy who probably shouldn't have been ranked unless you count defensive skill, but he is definitely in line for a break-out year.  At any rate, I don't think I would take Josh Shipp over Lighty.  Antonio Anderson and OSU's Evan Turner had very similar seasons production-wise last year, but Turner was a Freshman and Anderson was a Junior ... naturally you would expect the guy coming off his freshman season that was much more well-regarded coming out of high school and had the better shooting percentage to be the better player, but Gary didn't see it that way.

Would anyone take Eric Devendorf over either Purdue's E'Twaun Moore or OSU's William Buford?  No one who wants the better shooter would.  I definitely wouldn't take Devendorf over Purdue's Keaton Grant (a 44% 3-point shooter last year) either.  Generally, Gary put way too much stock in Big East players.  Dominic James is way overrated - how can a PG who shoots under 40% from the field, 31% on 3s, and 65 or 66% from the foul line actually be one of the best players in the country?  I don't think it's possible.  Levance Fields is another guy who's a poor shooter (38% from the field last year and 27% from 3) but made it into the rankings.  Is Deonta Vaughn any good or did he just score a lot of points because the Cincinnati team really stunk?  It's not like Northwestern's Kevin Coble is in a much different position than Vaughn.  MSU's Goran Suton had 14 points and 9 rebounds against Pitt, outplaying DeJuan Blair (10 and 7), and he also had 23 and 9 against Memphis, but he didn't show up in the rankings.  Could Arinze Onuaku put up those numbers against Pitt?  No, he only had 7 and 5, roughly half of what Suton had against the Panthers.

The Syracuse guys got to pad their stats from being on a team with no depth, that doesn't mean they're among the best in the country.  There's a reason that team didn't make the NCAA tourney last year.  Devendorf and Onuaku didn't deserve to make this list at the expense of guys like Moore and Suton.

Since: Apr 21, 2008
Posted on: October 27, 2008 4:01 pm


I think this list says volumes about what is going on in the Big 10.  Why generally are the big-time players not going there anymore?  Is there a theme here?

Although not separately broken out, I notice that 6 players on the list are in CUSA, just one short of what the big time, Big 10 has.  Is this more a comment on where CUSA is going or where the Big 10 is going?

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