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The preseason Poll Attacks (kinda sorta)

Posted on: November 1, 2008 1:21 am
Edited on: November 1, 2008 1:25 am

I got a few emails today about the return of the Poll Attacks.

You want them.

And I want to give them to you.

But the truth is that my carefully typed assault on the AP and Coaches polls each Monday (here's an example from last season, for those unfamiliar) doesn't work so well with the preseason polls because, let's be honest, all voters do for the preseason polls is look at the rankings me and others published months ago, then cut and paste accordingly. How else to explain that the exact same 25 teams that are in the AP poll are also in the Coaches poll?

If you're wondering, 23 of those teams are also in my Top 25 (and one).

The only differences are that the AP and Coaches polls include Wake Forest and Kansas while I have Ohio State and UNLV. I don't mind the Wake Forest ranking, but I still don't understand why Kansas is ranked. Hell, Bill Self doesn't even understand. But either way, we're splitting hairs because, as I've said many times, there usually isn't much difference between the final five teams in any ranking and the first five just outside. On this note, I'm happy to tell you I actually ranked the top 50 teams while doing research for the Top 25 (and one) and that I had Wake Forest 28th and Kansas 29th. So again, there are no wild discrepancies in my rankings and their polls, which is why I'd rather wait to unleash until I have actual games and stats and numbers to make people look stupid because that's what I really do with the Poll Attacks. I use data to expose ignorance, and any preseason Poll Attack would merely consist of my predictions against somebody else's predictions, which isn't nearly as fun or convincing.

In other words, there will be no Poll Attacks until the season starts.

But I will leave you with this: Ron Morris hates the state of Tennessee.

That's what I learned when I perused the ballots of AP voters.

Morris works for The State newspaper in South Carolina, and his ballot includes some interesting selections such as Alabama at No. 19, Clemson at No. 23 (remember, he's from South Carolina, just like Clemson) and -- ready for this? -- Cal State Northridge at No. 25. My thoughts: I can live with Alabama, Clemson is a stretch but Northridge at No. 25 is just plain ridiculous.

So what does this have to do with Tennessee, you ask?

Despite finding room for Northridge, Morris ranked neither Memphis nor Tennessee even though both programs are in the top 15 of the AP poll, Coaches poll and the Top 25 (and one). So while Memphis and Tennessee fans rarely agree on anything, I think both fanbases will agree that Ron Morris isn't the best AP voter on the planet.

(Note: I'm afraid that while explaining how I WASN'T going to Poll Attack I ended up Poll Attacking. I apologize for the confusion. This was not my plan at all. It's late and I started typing and it just sort of happened.)

Also strange, Dave Goren -- a TV guy from North Carolina -- didn't rank Purdue. He must not know that the Boilermakers return all five starters from a 25-win team and are picked to win the Big Ten. That means Purdue is widely regarded to be better than everybody in its league -- including Michigan State and Wisconsin. Still, Goren has Michigan State 11th, Wisconsin 15th and the Boilermakers unranked.

Strange, isn't it?

On the other hand, he has Tennessee fourth.

So you can imagine how wild a debate between Ron Morris and Dave Goren would get.

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Since: Feb 26, 2008
Posted on: November 3, 2008 4:27 pm

The preseason Poll Attacks (kinda sorta)

I have to agree with GP on Northridge. He tends to be one of the more fair and balance CBB writers out there when it comes to the non-BCS schools. If Northridge is top-25 quality, they will prove it when it counts: during the season.

Since: Jan 22, 2008
Posted on: November 2, 2008 8:02 pm

The preseason Poll Attacks (kinda sorta)

I, too, enjoyed GP's revelations about some of the boneheaded voters and their "insight".  Leaving both/either Memphis and/or TN out of the Top 25 is synonymous with leaving Cal Ripken off the Hall of Fame ballot just based upon principle that no one should be a unanimous selection.  Take away their votes!

Since: Jan 5, 2007
Posted on: November 2, 2008 3:32 pm

The preseason Poll Attacks (kinda sorta)

Seriously, if Hendrix had stayed in school and you didnt include Alabama then I would have sent you an endless stream of restraining order quality E-mails. Even without Hendrix I still think the Tide will prove some people wrong but time will tell.

Since: Jan 28, 2008
Posted on: November 1, 2008 8:10 pm

The preseason Poll Attacks (kinda sorta)

I don't remember the "Poll Attacks" series from last year (yep, too lazy to even click the provided link), but I really like knowing which AP voters are boneheads.  I would like to see more reporting on that!!!

Since: Oct 19, 2007
Posted on: November 1, 2008 7:56 pm
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Since: Sep 17, 2006
Posted on: November 1, 2008 7:36 pm

The preseason Poll Attacks (kinda sorta)

Haha, seriously. I picked Northridge to win the Big West. But if Kent State, Siena, American, Cleveland State etc. don't get into the top 25, neither does Northridge. Maybe top 75?

Since: Jan 17, 2008
Posted on: November 1, 2008 4:23 pm

The preseason Poll Attacks (kinda sorta)

GP just laid the smack down on your toucus.... That has to be embarrassing....

Since: Feb 8, 2007
Posted on: November 1, 2008 4:13 pm

The preseason Poll Attacks (kinda sorta)

Three things:

1. I live in Mississippi.

2. Ask Memphis fans if they think I'm a Memphis fan.

3. Do you really think I'd goof on somebody's Northridge vote without doing research?


I actually did the research last night, and what I found is that, yes, Northrididge finished 20-10 last season. But it's important to put that record into context, which means you should understand how the Matadors got to 20 wins. They did it by beating terrible teams, one after another. In fact, 15 of the 20 wins came against a team ranked 200th or worse at or a non-Division I opponent.

Meantime, Northridge was just5-9 against the Top 200 and played only one Top 50 team.

That was Gonzaga.

The Matadors lost the game by 26.

So there's your research, man.

And based on it, there's no way anybody should be ranking Northridge in a Top 25.

Since: Nov 8, 2006
Posted on: November 1, 2008 3:38 pm

The preseason Poll Attacks (kinda sorta)

Hey Cal State Northridge is returning all their major players from a 20-win team.  Don't be so quick to judge them, if you've never heard of them, it least do some research before saying they aren't any good.  Morris actually did some research into it and thought Northridge might be pretty good this year, instead of being like everyone else and looking at yours Gary Parrish.

Since: Feb 26, 2007
Posted on: November 1, 2008 3:20 pm

The preseason Poll Attacks (kinda sorta)

I'm pretty sure GP lives in MS just outside of Memphis which i would think makes him more of a Memphis fan over TN i can't speak for him but at the very least he lives closer to Memphis than TN but that's neither here nor there that guy from SC needs to have all writing utensils or anything else he could use to fill out his ballot taken away from him immediately

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