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The Poll Attacks

Posted on: December 8, 2008 5:48 pm

The Ohio State Buckeyes are 5-0.

They beat Miami.

They beat Notre Dame.

And yet 12 AP voters still opted not to rank OSU.

That's hard to understand.

But it's easy work for the Poll Attacks.

AP poll: I told you in the Monday Look Back that anybody not voting for Ohio State would have to be a victim of the Poll Attacks, and because I'm a man of my word I'm going to list the names. I'm not going to be mean or anything; I'm just going to point out that the Buckeyes are one of only five schools that are undefeated and in possession of two wins over ranked opponents, and that the others are North Carolina, Connecticut, Oklahoma and Syracuse.

Needless to say, UNC, UConn and Oklahoma are on everybody's ballot.

Syracuse is on 71 of the 72 ballots.

But despite having a similar resume to those schools, Ohio State was omitted from the ballots of Elton Alexander, Gary Horowitz, Jeff Walker, Jerry Tipton, John Shinn, Joshua Parrott, Michael Murphy, Michael Vega, Pat Ridgell, Paul Arnett, Roger Clarkson and Seth Davis. Of those ballots, the wildest probably belongs to Vega, who did not rank Syracuse (undefeated with two good wins) or Ohio State (undefeated with two good wins), but did find room on his ballot to slot Michigan State (5-2 with no good wins) all the way up at No. 9.

I mean, I like Tom Izzo more than anybody, but that's crazy.

And I'm pretty sure Tom Izzo would agree with me.  

Coaches poll: I'm not here to argue Michigan over Michigan State, because I do think that the Spartans will be better than the Wolverines by February or March or whenever things start to really matter. So don't get me wrong: I'm not looking for a fight. But I believe the bottom line has to matter to some degree, and that the people currently ranking Michigan State ahead of Michigan are totally disregarding the results of the first month of the season.

For proof, let's compare bodies of work:

-- Michigan --

Record: 6-2
Wins over ranked teams: 2 (Duke and UCLA)
Losses to ranked teams: 1 (Duke)
Losses to unranked teams: 1 (Maryland)

-- Michigan State --

Record: 5-2
Wins over ranked teams: 0
Losses to ranked teams: 1 (North Carolina)
Losses to unranked teams: 1 (Maryland)

So as you can see, Michigan has two wins better than any win Michigan State possesses, and the schools have a common loss to Maryland (though it should be noted that Michigan's loss was by five points at Maryland while Michigan State's loss was by 18 points on a neutral court). Furthermore, Michigan has a 15-point loss to Duke while Michigan State has a 33-point loss to North Carolina, which means that by any measuring stick Michigan is having a better season than Michigan State, and I'm not sure what that means, exactly, but it seems that it should be taken into account on some level.

That's why I ranked Michigan 26th and did not rank Michigan State in the Top 25 (and one).

Again, Big Ten play could change everything.

But for now, that's the way it should be.

Category: NCAAB

Since: Apr 9, 2007
Posted on: December 9, 2008 1:10 am

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I think Marquette, Ohio State, and Dayton will all be in the top 15 by the end of the season. This is why pre season polls make little sence and create an unfare playing field. In fact the first polls should come out January first!

Since: Dec 4, 2006
Posted on: December 9, 2008 12:11 am

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How about putting MD in there at 26 since they beat the 2 teams in question?  I don't think that OT win by Mich vs Savannah St is impressing anyone.  MD has lost to an excellent Gonzaga team and very quality Georgetown team.  They have not lost to any unranked teams.  MD may surprise some teams this year.  They are young and playing Gary Williams type ball.  They can shoot the 3 as well, which has been lacking in the past.  Now if they had a big man.... 

Since: Dec 8, 2008
Posted on: December 8, 2008 11:40 pm

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Gary........You got it right about Ohio State. They are only gonna get much better and they beat two good teams on the road already. I have to call out D-bag Seth Davis. This guy thinks he's an expert on College B-ball?? Not ranking Ohio State in the top 25 is pathetic. Seth why do you hate O State so much?? Last year you ripped on Oden and Conley several times, both 1st round draft picks. You must have been beaten up by a Buckeye fan as a kid................

Since: Nov 20, 2008
Posted on: December 8, 2008 11:39 pm

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People do crazy things sometimes, like putting a goofy "North Carolina-Duke Countdown" on a web site. Now that Duke has a loss do you replace them with either undefeated Clemson or Wake Forest? Or does "Clemson-Wake Forest " get its own countdown?

Since: Feb 19, 2007
Posted on: December 8, 2008 11:32 pm

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UD has a test on the road vs. Creighton, they better be ranked after that if they win...

Since: Sep 28, 2006
Posted on: December 8, 2008 11:31 pm

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They don't matter, but they are there... It gives us stuff to debate while our teams aren't playing.  And don't mistake yourself... just because Parrish has a chimp named Corky it doesn't mean it has Downs.

Since: Jan 31, 2007
Posted on: December 8, 2008 11:14 pm

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I agree Marquette lost a game which should have been considered a "home" game respectively. 

Dayton deserves to be ranked at (8-0).

Since: Aug 30, 2007
Posted on: December 8, 2008 10:42 pm

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This article is useless. Isn't the beauty of college basketball that polls don't matter, especially this early in the season. That is why we have the 64 team tournament. Gary Parrish's job could be done by a chimp with Downs Syndrome.

Since: Feb 8, 2007
Posted on: December 8, 2008 10:17 pm

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I know Elton; he's a good dude. I just think that not ranking Ohio State this week is pretty unbelievable, regardless of where anybody lives. Again, you could argue that the Buckeyes have one of the best five bodies of work in the country, at this point. And though I'm not advocating that they be put in the top five, I think they should certainly be in everybody's Top 25, at least.

Since: Mar 29, 2007
Posted on: December 8, 2008 9:50 pm

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Elton Alexander writes for the Cleveland Plain Dealer, and for some reason, is a HUGE Ohio State hater.

Every week during the football season they, a group of local sports writers, pick if OSU will win or lose and what the score will be. Elton Alexander picked OSU to lose 4 times, to teams like Michigan State who they beat 45-7. They also show their rankings that they vote in the AP and OSU was ALWAYS lower than what the rest of the polls had them as.

I don't know what it is but Elton always hates on OSU, maybe he went to Michigan?

Sometimes in an effort to be unbiased you become biased in the wrong way, and that's definitely what it appears Elton has become.

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