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Dear Gary (on more questionable AP votes)

Posted on: December 23, 2008 1:41 pm
Edited on: December 23, 2008 3:05 pm
 

Here's Tuesday's Dear Gary ...

Dear Gary: I see you've included Texas A&M in the Top 25 (and one) this week. You're obviously genius. They may not look like superstars doing it, but they still have managed to find ways to win games. Can you Poll Attack an AP voter who didn't vote for them? That would make me laugh.
 
-- Matt

Lots of people didn't vote for Texas A&M; that's reasonable ... as long as you aren't still voting for A&M victims LSU and Arizona. But what concerns me is the guy not voting for Ohio State and Clemson, and, yes, that guy does exist.

His name is Roger Clarkson.

He works at the Athens Banner-Herald.

He omitted Ohio State (which is 8-0 with wins over Miami, Butler and No. 8 Notre Dame) and Clemson (which is 12-0 with wins over Illinois and Miami) from his ballot, and yet he somehow found room to rank Kansas 16th and Florida 18th despite the fact that Kansas and Florida are a pair of two-loss teams with no good wins.

In other words, not ranking A&M is the least of his problems.

Comments

Since: Dec 14, 2008
Posted on: December 31, 2008 7:05 pm
 

Dear Gary (on more questionable AP votes)

Hey detrikk,
You think that Ohio State belongs in the top 25 now? I do watch them play (I live in ohio and unfortunately that is all they play on TV)
- Gets crushed by WVU (a team that will end up in 5th place or so in the BE) at home - dont even say anything about them Ohio State missing a player either, it would not have helped a thing
- Barely beat the sorry Iowa Hawkeyes today by 3 points (they almost sent it to overtime too, if not for a missed 3)

Ohio State is overrated, and if they do make the tourney this year, wont make it past the Sweet 16 (if that far).



Since: Mar 26, 2007
Posted on: December 25, 2008 8:38 am
 

Dear Gary (on more questionable AP votes)

Hey Qbert

Harongody had 25 points and 12 rips...I think he was just fine.  And it was technically a neutral court, but overwhelmingly pro Irish.  If you don't think Ohio State belongs in the top 25, you simply haven't watched them play.



Since: Jan 24, 2008
Posted on: December 24, 2008 1:50 pm
 

Dear Gary (on more questionable AP votes)

to add on to M2thaC1369: Another factor may be if the teams that have similar SOS, a team with more road wins will have the advantage because a road win counts as 1.4 wins in the RPI while a home win counts as 0.6 wins.




Since: Aug 16, 2006
Posted on: December 24, 2008 11:46 am
 

Dear Gary (on more questionable AP votes)

@nekco: I think SOS is based only on opponents' record, but the main RPI formula factors in opponents' opponents' record.  As such, a team could have a good SOS because the teams they play have good records, but their RPI wouldn't be great if those teams got their good records playing against bad teams.



Since: Sep 4, 2007
Posted on: December 24, 2008 8:37 am
 

Dear Gary (on more questionable AP votes)

I guess you didn't see the Zags game before you posted this. Is it possible that Miami isn't ranked any more because tOSU beat them at thier place? I mean come on, you can make excuses for why the Zags and Purdue have 2 losses but the fact remains....they have two losses and the Bucks have none..... and Butler just knocked off a ranked X last night....Maybe a bit over rated but I dont think to the extreme you are suggesting.



Since: Jan 28, 2007
Posted on: December 24, 2008 3:16 am
 

Dear Gary (on more questionable AP votes)

What I can't figure out is some of these RPI rankings, much less the subjective voting.  How does a team with a 95 strength of schedule get ranked 17 places higher than another team with an identical record and SOS of 92.  I would think, generally, the team with toughest SOS would be ranked higher if the teams have identical records.  Another team has a 8-3 record with SOS of 119 and ranked 20 spots higher.  The math just doesen't seem right.



Since: Dec 14, 2008
Posted on: December 24, 2008 12:51 am
 

Dear Gary (on more questionable AP votes)

I agree with Kansas as well but I still cannot see what you see Gary sees in Ohio State....
- Miami not ranked anymore
- Butler not ranked
- Notre Dame (good win, but played on a neutral court with a less than 100% Harangody)

Yet Gary has them ranked over teams the Zags or Purdue (2 losses to ranked teams).

I dont know much about Clemson but you cant just go off records Gary! The Buckeyes are overrated, time will tell...



Since: Feb 8, 2007
Posted on: December 23, 2008 3:08 pm
 

Dear Gary (on more questionable AP votes)


Good point.

Thus, I've eliminated Temple from the equation.



Since: Sep 28, 2008
Posted on: December 23, 2008 2:32 pm
 

Dear Gary (on more questionable AP votes)

While I agree Kansas shouldn't be ranked (and this coming from someone with multiple degrees from KU)...if Temple is a good win for Clemson, it's a good win for KU, too.  Give the Baby J's some credit - they've got talent but haven't truly jelled yet.



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