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The Poll Attacks

Posted on: January 5, 2009 5:51 pm
Edited on: January 5, 2009 6:05 pm

John Wilner must hate the color orange.

You'll see why if you keep reading the Poll Attacks.

AP poll: Jon Wilner of the San Jose Mercury News took a beating from Syracuse fans a few weeks ago after I pointed out how he didn't have the Orange ranked even though they were, at the time, 11-1 with wins over Florida, Kansas and Memphis. Ultimately, John declared it a typo, called himself "idiotic" and promised to buy ribs when he was back in town, and I think everybody was OK with it because it was admirable to acknowledge the mistake.

But now John has another problem: Clemson.

He is the only AP voter who doesn't have the Tigers on his ballot, and there's really no explanation for that unless it involves another typo. Clemson is 14-0 with a win over the Illinois team that beat Purdue (which is ranked 11th on John's ballot), a win over the Temple team that beat Tennessee (which is ranked 13th on John's ballot), and wins at Miami and South Carolina.

So by any measuring stick, Clemson has a nice resume.

That's why the Tigers are 10th in the Top 25 (and one), 11th in the Coaches poll and 12th in the AP poll.

So, Clemson fans, I advise you to email John and see why he's not ranking your team.

Perhaps you'll get some ribs out of the deal.

And now it's time for our weekly George Geise update: I must admit, I look forward to George's ballot as much as I look forward to anything, and I'll have you know that he didn't let me down, because the guy's curious pattern of bouncing Xavier all over the place continued. To recap: George did not rank the Musketeers when they started 5-0 with wins over Missouri and Memphis. So I called him on it, and he shot Xavier all the way up to 16th after a victory over Miami (Ohio). From there, the Musketeers went on to lose two of their next six, but George didn't care because he moved them up from 16th to 12th in that time span, which led to me Poll Attacking him last week. So then Xavier won two games over the past seven days, and do you want to guess how George ranked Sean Mller's team this week?

Answer: Not at all.

He dropped the Musketeers from 12th to completely off his ballot after two wins.


Meantime, Gonzaga lost to Utah, but George still has the four-loss Zags ranked 16th.

Can't wait till next week.

Coaches poll: There are about 40 teams that could reasonably make a case to be ranked in the Top 25, so I'm not going to call people stupid for ranking LSU or Stanford or Utah State, because though I don't agree I recognize it's pretty subjective outside the top 15. The only totally dumb vote I see is where some coach put Washington at No. 25 on his ballot, because Washington has three losses (including one to Portland) and no good wins, and I'm not sure how that translates into a Top 25 ranking.

But whatever.

I don't really care.

Because I want to instead focus on Georgetown and how the Hoyas dropped from eighth to 10th after beating UConn and losing to Pittsburgh. Does that make any sense? In last week's Coaches poll, UConn was ranked second, Pitt was third and Georgetown was eighth. So if the No. 8 team manages to split games with the No. 2 team and No. 3 team, how does that make them worse than No. 8? Seems to me that suggests the Hoyas are better than we thought a week ago, which is why I moved John Thompson III's team up from ninth to fifth in the Top 25 (and one).

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Since: Jan 1, 2007
Posted on: January 5, 2009 10:01 pm


Good point on the Bulldogs.  Thanks for your post.

I am not as concerned where Xavier is ranked compared to Butler.  As long as voters are respecting Butler, I am good.  Plus, it is important for Butler fans to have Xavier ranked high to improve Butler's resume come tournament time!

Go Dawgs!

Since: Jan 25, 2008
Posted on: January 5, 2009 9:10 pm

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Here is an OUTSTANDING ballot!!

Since: Jan 25, 2008
Posted on: January 5, 2009 9:08 pm

Jerry Tipton


Great work once again this year.  Pay attention to Jerry Tipton from the Lexington Hearald.  Last week after Butler's win over Xavier he had Xavier at 13 and Butler at 23.  He ranked Xavier higher than all but one voter.  As a Butler fan I was upset after beating Xavier than week on their home court that someone would think the losing team was 10 places better still so I wrote him an email.   

He made up for it this week.  Apparently he listened to some degree... he voted the Dawgs up to 18. Unfortunately he moved Xavier up to 10!  However his punishment to the state of Indiana for moving Butler up - he kicked the other Indiana teams out of the polls --- he dropped Purdue and ND from the Top 25! 

Is there any reason why Purude and ND would not be in the Top 25 right now? 


Since: Oct 16, 2007
Posted on: January 5, 2009 7:30 pm

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clemson #2 ??? thats almost as bad as ranking ohio state in the top 10

Since: Dec 15, 2008
Posted on: January 5, 2009 7:22 pm

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What about Dan Jones?  He ranked Clemson #2... #2?!  I agree they're good, but not better than UNC.

Since: Jan 24, 2008
Posted on: January 5, 2009 6:58 pm

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I take back what I said about George last week. Let him keep his ballot. It's just too comical to read about every week. Keep it up Gary.

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