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The Poll Attacks

Posted on: January 19, 2009 6:41 pm
Edited on: January 20, 2009 6:24 am

There is somebody who thinks there are three teams that deserve to be ranked ahead of Wake Forest.

This is why the Poll Attacks are easy, folks.

Let's do this!

AP poll: I explained in great detail over the weekend why Wake Forest had to be the No. 1 team in the country. On Monday, 68 of the 72 AP voters agreed with my way of thinking, meaning 68 of the 72 voters at least have the top slot on their ballots filled out correcty.

And then there's John Wilner of the San Jose Mercury News.

Holy crap, does he have a goofy ballot.

Would you believe Wilner has Wake Forest -- the nation's only undefeated team with wins over No. 5 North Carolina and No. 10 Clemson -- ranked behind Duke, Michigan State and Oklahoma, i.e., three teams that can't possibly match Wake Forest's body of work? I mean, even if you forget the obvious fact that Wake Forest has remained perfect while Duke has a loss (at Michigan), Michigan State has two losses (to Maryland and UNC) and Oklahoma has a loss (at Arkansas), it's important to recognize the Demon Deacons have two wins over teams currently ranked in the AP Top 10.

Now I know what you're thinking:

How many wins over teams currently ranked in the AP Top 10 does Duke have, Gary?


The Blue Devils' best win is over No. 12 Georgetown.

How many wins over teams currently ranked in the AP Top 10 does Michigan State have, Gary?


The Spartans' best win is over No. 14 Texas.

How many wins over teams currently ranked in the AP Top 10 does Oklahoma have, Gary?


The Sooners' best win is over No. 14 Texas.

So to summarize, Wake Forest has no losses and two wins better than any win Duke, Michigan State and Oklahoma possess, and yet Wilner has those three schools ranked ahead of Dino Gaudio's Demon Deacons. There is no logical way to defend such a ballot. But Wilner also has Tennessee ranked 20th and Clemson unranked, and he couldn't possibly defend that either. So perhaps logic doesn't matter as much as I like to pretend.

Coaches poll: I was ready to ride Arkansas all the way to the SEC West title after the Hogs beat Oklahoma and Texas, because I loved Courtney Fortson and Michael Washington and just the general make-up of the team. I defended them to no end. But now I must question how they are getting two points in the Coaches poll, because they should no longer be getting any votes in any poll unless it's a poll about the most disapointing starts to league play.

Arkansas has dropped three straight -- to Ole Miss, Mississippi State and Florida -- and is tied with Georgia for last place in the SEC's overall standings, and my general rule in ranking basketball teams is that if you happen to be tied with Georgia in any form you must be eliminated from consideration.

Who could argue with that?

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Since: Jan 21, 2009
Posted on: January 21, 2009 10:44 am

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First off I think Wake Forest is #1, but people who didn't vote Wake #1 have some reasoning for it.

Record vs RPI top 25

Duke  3-0

Mich St 4-1

Wake   2-0

Record vs RPI 26-75

Duke  5-1

Mich St  4-1

Wake 3-0

So that is 8-1 vs 8-2 vs 5-0.  Maybe they think if Wake Forest would have played as many games against Top 75 teams, they would lose 1. also. 

Since: Sep 28, 2006
Posted on: January 21, 2009 7:26 am

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My mistake about the home games for MSU, they appeared that way in the schedule.  Nevertheless, 2 losses and they aren't good.  You would think a top 5 team wins a neutral floor game against a team in the bottom half of the ACC.

Since: May 30, 2007
Posted on: January 20, 2009 10:22 pm

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huh?? make sense please.

Since: Jan 19, 2009
Posted on: January 20, 2009 8:42 pm

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If you actually knew how to read a schedule, TR1982, you would see that MSU lost to Maryland in Orlando, FL (a little far from East Lansing,MI) and to North Carolina in Detorit (hardly the Breslin Center with the Izzone in full throttle).

MSU has 7 wins against the RPI top 50, 2 more than any other team in the nation.

Since: Jan 20, 2009
Posted on: January 20, 2009 5:26 pm

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Yes, but MSU lost 2 games AT HOME to one of the teams Wake beat and one that isn't in the top 25.  That is not a resume of a top 10 team at this point in the season.

Since: Feb 27, 2007
Posted on: January 20, 2009 3:32 pm

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What about when Duke beat #9 Xavier on their turf on Dec 20th?

Xavier isn't #9. They're #15. That they were #9 is irrelevant, unless you believe that Alabama's (football) wins over Clemson and LSU were better wins than beating Ole Miss because they happened before people knew that Clemson and LSU were awful and Ole Miss was good.

Since: Mar 20, 2007
Posted on: January 20, 2009 3:31 pm

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The only purpose of mid-season polls is to allow fans to have fun shouting at each other or the pollsters...nothing more nothing less.  I'll see you in April when the only real poll is determined.

Since: Oct 16, 2006
Posted on: January 20, 2009 3:19 pm

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Nobody is getting a raw deal like the Hoyas. They beat #8 Syracuse on Tue. and lose to #2 Duke over the weekend (at Cameron) and drop two spots in the coaches poll and move up 1 in the AP? Meanwhile Syracuse stays at #8 in th AP? The voters must have awfully short memories!

This is the second time this season they've had big victories ignored, because they lost to a great team later in the week (beat UConn, lost to Pitt). They're being punished for playing an incredibly difficult schedule.

Since: Jan 19, 2009
Posted on: January 20, 2009 3:09 pm

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As a Wake fan, I'm OK with not being ranked #1 since it's typically a curse, but his omitting Clemson takes it from "cutting edge" to "I don't know what I'm talking about".  If you saw Clemson play against Wake, you'll know they are among the top (at least) 15 in the country.

Since: Feb 22, 2007
Posted on: January 20, 2009 2:01 pm

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This is a blog, not a column numbnuts.

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