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The Poll Attacks

Posted on: January 26, 2009 5:07 pm
Edited on: January 26, 2009 5:14 pm
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UCLA being in the top 20 of both polls makes no sense.

And how did the AP voters shun Minnesota?

Here come the Poll Attacks .

AP poll: More than half of the AP voters -- i.e., too many to name -- didn't include Minnesota on their ballots.

That means more than half of the AP voters missed badly on Minnesota.

Seriously, what's the deal?

The Golden Gophers are 17-3 overall with wins against No. 7 Louisville, Wisconsin and Ohio State. Furthermore, none of their losses (to Michigan State, Purdue and at Northwestern) are bad considering all three of the schools that beat Minnesota are ranked in the top 40 at CollegeRPI.com.

Is that body of work not better than No. 21 Villanova's body of work? The Wildcats have one top 50 win (Minnesota has three) and four total losses (Minnesota has three). Is that body of work not better than No. 22 Saint Mary's body of work? The Gaels have no top 50 wins (Minnesota has three) and a loss to a school well outside the top 50 (No. 99 UTEP). Is that body of work not better than No. 23 Washington's body of work? The Huskies have two top 50 wins (Minnesota has three) and four total losses (Minnesota has three), including one to a school well outside the top 50 (No. 125 Portland).

I'd argue Minnesota should be ranked ahead of each of those schools.

Which is why I ranked Minnesota ahead of each of those schools.

Anyway, like I said, there are too many AP voters who didn't rank Minnesota to list them all. But because you guys like it when I single-out voters (or at least you tell me you like it), what I did was click on the very first voter on the alphabetical list who didn't vote for Minnesota and examined his ballot.

His name is Andrew Aragon.

He works at the Deseret Morning News in Utah.

He has Washington, Saint Mary's and Villanova (the three schools I referenced above) ranked 16th, 18th and 20th.

He has UCLA ranked 19th.

And now I'll explain why that's crazy, too.

Coaches poll: The 16th-ranked team in the Coaches poll is UCLA, and I understand why, I guess. It's because UCLA has some talented players (Darren Collison, Jrue Holiday, etc.) and Ben Howland has proved worthy of the benefit of the doubt. But at some point voters should care about results more than anything else, and there's no way to rank UCLA 16th (or even 25th, honestly) if you're paying attention to results.

Don't believe me?

Just look at UCLA's body of work ...

-- UCLA --

Overall record: 15-4
Record against the Top 25 at CollegeRPI.com: 0-1
Record against the Top 50 at CollegeRPI.com: 1-4
Record against the Top 100 at CollegeRPI.com: 4-4

Now I ask: Does that look like the body of work of a team that should be ranked 16th?

Or 19th?

Or 25th?

I mean, more than half of the season is over and UCLA's best win is against Miami-Ohio! So while I agree that the Bruins have potential and could be a team to watch in March, they've done nothing in November, December or January to deserve the ranking they got on this Monday. Put another way, the coaches goofed this up. But to their credit they have Minnesota ranked 24th. So if nothing else, they're doing better than the AP voters, at least this week.

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morris614
Since: Dec 9, 2008
Posted on: January 26, 2009 8:07 pm
 

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WHOA!!!!!! I am from Utah and i cannot beleive that clown Aragon has an AP vote.



Vik Crapper
Since: Sep 2, 2008
Posted on: January 26, 2009 8:03 pm
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boogieboy
Since: Jan 26, 2009
Posted on: January 26, 2009 6:50 pm
 

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You are right Troll. They did lose to Ohio St and beat a freefalling Georgetown. Still not enough to be ranked.



Troll_Patrol
Since: Jan 25, 2009
Posted on: January 26, 2009 6:30 pm
 

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I agree, and have been baffled by the AP so far this year.  Lots of weirdness going on.

Now, about Notre Dame, I really can't see them as a ranked team right now either.  (BTW, Boogieboy, you're wrong about one thing: the Irish actually lost to the Buckeyes.)



boogieboy
Since: Jan 26, 2009
Posted on: January 26, 2009 6:05 pm
 

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This is probably your weakest poll attack ever. You can argue for or against UCLA, Villinova and Saint Mary's just depends on how you want to spin it. Minnesota really one has one good win against Louisville, plus a couple of ok wins against a couple of overrated Big 10 teams. I can easily see how Minnesota is left of of most ballots. Look at thier Non-conference schedule besides Louisville. Could it be any softer? Now how you can still rank ND is beyond me. They have one good win at Texas and a ok win against Ohio State. It's nice they have played a tough schedule but eventually you have to win some of them. 12-6 ND or 18-1 SM is an easy pick.



tfm
Since: Jan 26, 2009
Posted on: January 26, 2009 6:01 pm
 

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You attack the polls for poor rankings. Yet, you still have Notre Dame ranked 25th. "Seriously, what's the deal?" ND has a losing record in its conference. Has one solid win against a good team (Texas), and has lost to anybody who's any good (UNC, OSU, L'ville, S'cuse, UConn). And the RPI has ND ranked 76. Yes, the polls often get it wrong and reflect a program's reputation more than its accomplishments in a season. But your own rankings seem to suffer from the very "craziness" that you criticize.



texasbluedevil6
Since: Dec 9, 2006
Posted on: January 26, 2009 5:51 pm
 

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Amen to that - UCLA just isn't showing they are a final 4 contender - and then 2 weeks ago one of the announcers on tv (forgot which one) touted them for a #1 seed.  No way - they'd have to win out and hope for LOTS of losses by other teams.

 



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