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The Poll Attacks

Posted on: February 16, 2009 6:55 pm
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HARTFORD, Conn. -- Note to all voters: Washington must be ahead of Arizona State and UCLA.

At least until I tell you otherwise.

Let's do the Poll Attacks .

AP poll: Today, we explore the ballot of the Boston Globe 's Michael Vega.

Why?

Because it's too good to pass up, that's why.

He has Butler ranked sixth and Dayton ranked seventh, and nevermind that those two schools only have four top 50 wins between them. Michael does not care about quality wins, because how else could he justify having Duke ranked 25th? The Blue Devils have seven top 50 wins, and if you want to understand how they stack-up nationally I'd encourage you to click this link and read the Dear Gary from earlier today.

I could go on forever with this ballot, but I don't have the time.

Pittsburgh-Connecticut is about to tip.

I've got to get to the court.

But all you need to know is that there is an AP voter -- again, Michael Vega is his name -- who has Butler ranked sixth, Dayton ranked seventh, Wake Forest, Louisville and Villanova way lower than any reasonable person could have them (i.e., 16th, 17th and 21st), Davidson 22nd and Duke 25th.

Seriously, Butler, Dayton and Davidson combined have five top 50 wins.

Duke has seven.

This might be the craziest ballot I've ever seen.

Coaches poll: I thought for sure that I was the last person to properly recognize Washington. But, as always, I forgot about those crazy coaches, who have the Huskies ranked behind two other Pac-10 schools, which makes no sense whatsoever.

First, Washington is atop the Pac-10 standings.

The coaches saw that, right?

But if not, they still should've noticed that No. 19 Washington has a better RPI (22nd) than No. 11 Arizona State (27th) and No. 15 UCLA (32nd), and that Washington is actually 2-0 against Arizona State and UCLA, having beaten each school once. So regardless of whether you're into league standings, RPIs or head-to-head match-ups, there's no way to conclude that Washington is worse than Arizona State and UCLA. But somehow the coaches concluded as much, which is both silly and wrong.

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Since: Sep 28, 2008
Posted on: February 20, 2009 10:17 am
 

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You were the one who said Memphis didn't deserve the #5 ranking. I merely pointed out that the numbers from several ranking services say they do Obviously that's what everybody has been criticizing lately. They think the pollsters are idiots.

Since you seem to justify Syracuse's brutally tough non-conference schedule by saying they have played 3 ranked teams, I could say the exact same thing Okay. But at the same time, do you play loads of tough games, sometimes 3-4 in a row at times during conference play... no. 

You ought to be happy that we are helping your ranking rise because of your victory over us earlier in the year.  I could really care less. 

You have tried to bolster your argument by throwing out facts only revealed to you. I mean really. "3X as much as 99.9% of the ranked teams." You must have a direct line to some great basketball statistician that no one else does. I guess everybody that compiles these stats and all the people who rank basketball teams are just ignorant compared to you. That's the point. Memphis has zero things to backup why they should be a top five team. Other than their best win (over #20 Gonzaga). And then 14 other easy wins vs. your beloved tough Conference-USA opponents.

I seem to remember that a Memphis team beat a Syracuse team in an early season tournament that featured a highly recruited young player named Carmelo Anthony. It didn't matter how good they were in the beginning because that team won the national championship by getting better during the year. That is the greatest thing about the NCAA tournament. And by the way, saying you are a tough guy on a message board is pretty lame. Okay. I don't know why you keep bringing this up. This is in the past, and again, Syracus has actually won a national title recently. Your team doesn't have a Carmello Anhony AND a Gerry McNamara combinaton. Anthony didn't do everything, like you seem to think. And LOL!; you must have a reading comprehension issue. I never said I was an internet tough guy. Read carefully next time. 

 

 

 

 

 




Since: Jan 28, 2009
Posted on: February 20, 2009 6:41 am
 

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I usually don't get into these kind of back and forth discussions, but since you called me a moron, allow me to retort. You were the one who said Memphis didn't deserve the #5 ranking. I merely pointed out that the numbers from several ranking services say they do. Since you seem to justify Syracuse's brutally tough non-conference schedule by saying they have played 3 ranked teams, I could say the exact same thing. You ought to be happy that we are helping your ranking rise because of your victory over us earlier in the year. You have tried to bolster your argument by throwing out facts only revealed to you. I mean really. "3X as much as 99.9% of the ranked teams." You must have a direct line to some great basketball statistician that no one else does. I guess everybody that compiles these stats and all the people who rank basketball teams are just ignorant compared to you. I seem to remember that a Memphis team beat a Syracuse team in an early season tournament that featured a highly recruited young player named Carmelo Anthony. It didn't matter how good they were in the beginning because that team won the national championship by getting better during the year. That is the greatest thing about the NCAA tournament. And by the way, saying you are a tough guy on a message board is pretty lame.




Since: Sep 28, 2008
Posted on: February 19, 2009 9:04 pm
 

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I usually don't act like a tough guy. But I just can't stand morons.

 

I am sure that the Syracuse schedule SOS is overrated also as they play a powerhouse slate of Richmond, Oakland, Colgrate, Cornell, Long Beach, Cleveland St., Canisius, Coppin St., and a horrible Virginia team, all at home. Please, that's nothing compared to who Memphis plays during the season. While Syracuse plays in the brutally tough Big East, and has played not one, not two, but three ranked teams during the non conference season (one game at Memphis by the way, and two in neutral sites), Syracuse amazingly has a so called "weaker SOS" than Memphis does according to the garbage Kenpom rankings. Even though Syracuse has played 4x as many good teams as Memphis has this year. Your argument sucks, every school has their easy wins. Except there's one problem, Memphis has way too many. About 3x as much as 99.9% of the ranked teams. 

I think if you would take off the rose colored glasses you have on because you play in the Big East, you would notice that the Tigers are a much better team than earlier in the year. Dude, I didn't bring Syracuse into this at all really. This was more or less just Memphis and how they're vastly overrated at the moment with one star player and a bunch of average ones. Not to mention their best win.... over #20 Gonzaga, and a win over a mediocre Tennessee team. Our best win is at "so called" #5 Memphis. So you made yourself look stupid. 

What I find amazing is that we hear the same thing every year and here are the results of the last 3 years while Syracuse was sitting at home watching the tournament. We have been to the Elite 8 twice and the National Championship game and so I would be careful playing the easy conference card. Good day!

While Syracuse has had the luxury of actually winning a national championship... Memphis has been sitting at home every year, wondering when they're gonna earn their first. Every team has a short stretch of years where they're dominate. Memphis' streak ended last year, when they were still a powerhouse. They're not this year... get over it. They're overrated. Face the fact, and take off the BLUE glasses.

 

 

 




Since: Jan 28, 2009
Posted on: February 19, 2009 4:10 pm
 

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For your information, the Xavier loss was in the Puerto Rico tournament. And all of those losses came before the move of Tyreke Evans to the point. The RPI rating is 7. I believe Syracuse is at 19. What the Tigers are doing is drilling the teams they should and beating everyone else. I am sure that the Syracuse schedule SOS is overrated also as they play a powerhouse slate of Richmond, Oakland, Colgrate, Cornell, Long Beach, Cleveland St., Canisius, Coppin St., and a horrible Virginia team, all at home. You did beat a mediocre Florida team and two teams that were just beginning to find themselves after major personnel losses in Kansas and Memphis. I think if you would take off the rose colored glasses you have on because you play in the Big East, you would notice that the Tigers are a much better team than earlier in the year.

What I find amazing is that we hear the same thing every year and here are the results of the last 3 years while Syracuse was sitting at home watching the tournament. We have been to the Elite 8 twice and the National Championship game and so I would be careful playing the easy conference card. Good day!

 




Since: Jan 26, 2009
Posted on: February 18, 2009 8:49 pm
 

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For some reason Gary doesn't use the same logic regarding LSU that he uses to exclude Utah St or the MWC teams from being ranked. Hard to agree with his logic when he is so inconsistent.




Since: Sep 28, 2008
Posted on: February 18, 2009 4:58 pm
 

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You are so right MikeSyr18. According to kenpom.com, they should be ranked at #2. Hope that helps. Why?  Good wins this year; Tennessee, Gonzaga, Cincy. They lost to Georgetown, Syracuse and Xavier outside of conference, the only other three good teams they've played this year. The Syracuse and Xavier losses were at home. 12-3 outside of conference this year, with really only six good games, and seven games against mediocre teams. And now that they're blowing through their easy Conference- USA schedule. It looks like to me they're getting too much credit for playing such an easy schedule. There is NO way this team deserves a top five ranking. They have the #36 SOS amazingly, even though they've played the likes of Fairfield, ,UMass,Chattanooga,Marist,Arkansas-Little Rock,Drexel, Northeastern, Lamar, Marshall,UCF,Tulsa,UAB (2), Rice,East Carolina,Houston (2), Southern-Methodist,UTEP,Southern Miss and Tulane. Apparently there was some sort of mis-calculation with the SOS rankings. 

Do you really believe that a team with such an overrated SOS ranking, with it's best win on the year at #20 Gonzaga, should be ranked in the top five?




Since: Dec 1, 2008
Posted on: February 18, 2009 7:44 am
 

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WOW!  You guys are unbelievable!  I recently wrote a post in this thread about how LSU was completely overrated and should be firmly on the bubble, and certainly not ranked.  Then  i wrote a blog about how every monday I get unnecessarily stressed over the ranking...and about how Memphis, Missouri, Utah State, Arizona State are undeserving of their spots in the rankings.  Due to my honestly (an acknowledgement that it is my opinion alone) you all have given me serious "negative points" for these two posts which is blocking me from editing my blog anymore.  WTF?  Not cool guys! If you disagree, write a response in the comment section, don't just give "negative feedback" points.  Unbelievable!




Since: Oct 25, 2006
Posted on: February 17, 2009 9:36 pm
 

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unfortunately, ucla98, just saying "ucla is better than washington" doesn't make it so.  we beat you head to head, and it wasn't really close.  other than KenPom, everything other measure points to washington being the better - just because UCLA is written on the jersey it doesn't make them the best team in conference.

ucla could very well be in 1st on sunday night (though unlikely), but this weekend isn't going to determine the conference champion - unless of course UW wins.

go dawgs!!!




Since: Jan 4, 2008
Posted on: February 17, 2009 8:39 pm
 

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vega is just an ass trying to get attention with his votes. what should happen is that he lose his right to vote for this type of action.




Since: Jan 4, 2008
Posted on: February 17, 2009 8:16 pm
 

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I thought the half heartedness of my argument was pretty obvious, thus the embedded Simpson's quote.  In any event, my point was that while I will give you that Duke has played and beaten more mid-level teams, (partly as a result of having played way more), the teams are pretty comparable against upper eschelon teams. 

Take the Duke name off their stats and ask yourself if they are a top 10 team.  Their two best wins are from November and December, they are 3-4 on the road.  Duke is way overvalued right now and if some crazy media guy wants to illustrate that in an emphatic way that has absolutely no effect on how we choose a champion in college basketball, I don't have a problem with that especially if he wants to use my team to make his point in a way that highlights the fact that they are 23-3 with two op 15 wins and ranked behind teams with 6 and 7 losses and/or no/fewer big wins.



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