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The Poll Attacks

Posted on: February 23, 2009 6:15 pm
Edited on: February 24, 2009 3:29 am

Stupidity, you are about to be exposed.

It's time to Poll Attack !

AP poll: I'm not sure how two voters moved Oklahoma from No. 2 to No. 1 on their ballots after a loss to unranked Texas. But I'll let that slide, I guess, because though it makes almost no sense, it at least makes (slightly) more sense than leaving Connecticut No. 1 after it lost on its home court to the team that should be No. 1 on everybody's ballot, namely Pittsburgh.

We all saw Pitt beat UConn last week, right?

I was there.

I wrote about it and everything.

It really happened.

And it's primarily why UConn can't be ahead of Pitt.

At least the folks placing Oklahoma No. 1 could discount the loss by claiming that Blake Griffin only played 11 minutes, and that it came on the road, and that if he wouldn't have been concussed the Sooners might've recorded the win. To be clear, I disagree, because key players play limited minutes all the time in this sport, and we don't discount losses across the board when it happens (although if you want to do it, fine, but I'll just point out that DeJuan Blair only played 20 minutes in each of Pitt's losses because of foul trouble). Plus, OU was losing at the moment Griffin was injured. So it's not like the Sooners fell apart after the injury (like Saint Mary's fell apart at Gonzaga last month after Patrick Mills went down), meaning there's nothing on this planet suggesting Oklahoma was going to win that game the other night regardless of whether Griffin played or not.

But whatever.

I'm not here to make that point.

I'm more concerned with how somebody could leave UConn ahead of Pitt, because in this case we have two teams with similar bodies of work (though Pitt's is clearly better, and I'll explain that momentarily) and a recent head-to-head match-up to settle the debate. Again, Pitt just beat UConn. At UConn. And when you combine that with the fact that Pitt has the exact same overall record (25-2) against a better schedule, plus a better RPI ranking, better ranking at, more quality wins, better losses and no home losses (UConn has two), then it's pretty clear that Pitt should be ranked No. 1 in the country.

I mean, I took all that time to explain it Saturday night.

The least the AP voters could do was listen.

And do you want to guess who it was that voted UConn No. 1 and Pitt No. 2?

(Seriously, you're going to love this.)

It was our old friend George Geise from Montana, a future first-ballot Poll Attack Hall of Famer who has been featured in this blog many times for his inexplicable voting habits. You can read some of his past transgressions here and here and here and here . And when you go to sleep tonight, pray for him, because at this point it's clear George needs all the help he can get.

Coaches poll: Why is Saint Mary's getting votes?

I was fundamentally against the idea even when Patrick Mills was playing because of a lack of quality wins, though I could tolerate it because I believed the Gaels were Top 25-ish. But now Mills is hurt, and Saint Mary's is 4-4 since the injury, 20-5 overall against Division 1 opponents and saddled with more losses outside the top 50 (three) than it has wins inside the top 50 (two).

Does that sound like a top 25 team?

Of course it doesn't.

But the Gaels still got four points in the Coaches poll.

Only thing dumber than that is Utah State getting 22 points.

I mean, Utah State has a body of work even less impressive than Saint Mary's, and at least Saint Mary's has an excuse. You watch, if Utah State doesn't win the WAC tournament, the Aggies -- who just lost to a Mills-less Saint Mary's team, by the way -- are going to miss the NCAA tournament, and people will go crazy. But then somebody else -- it'll probably be me -- will point out how Utah State has exactly one top 50 victory and a 3-3 record against the top 90 of's RPI, and then all those people will have to be quiet because they'll have nothing tangible to back their argument, and I'll look so smart I won't know what to do with myself.

Category: NCAAB

Since: Sep 13, 2006
Posted on: February 24, 2009 1:03 pm

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BCS...Bite your tongue.  If Coll. FB would look more like Coll BB, it would be FAR better off.  The BCS is the biggest negative when it comes to coll FB.

Since: Mar 14, 2008
Posted on: February 24, 2009 11:48 am

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Since: Apr 27, 2007
Posted on: February 24, 2009 11:43 am

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Wow Gary, that is really odd that you would single out St. Mary's as being "non-deserving," when they are as deserving as some of the other teams gettting votes, and even as deserving as at least 1 or 2 teams that are actually ranked.  

I think you're just a hater!

Yes we fell off a little bit in the week or two following Mills' injury.  Losing your star player and leading scorer at halftime in the biggest game of the year certainly does have an impact.  And we went through an adjustment period over the next week or two.  Coach Bennett had to find a guard rotation that worked.  Mills' replacement was inexperienced and just not confident enough to be thrown into the fire that fast.

Since then, we have started developing a chemistry, the guards are more confident, and we are starting to look like a team again without Mills.  Beating Utah St. by double digits without your star player certainly has to convince you we can play without Mills.

Thing is, in spite of all the down time, we still have a body of work as impressive as many of these other teams.  I mean really, tell me how Butler can be ranked, and meanwhile, St. Mary's is being attacked for even getting votes?  They have a similar record, and they don't have any bigger wins than us?  Beating Davidson is the equivalent of us beating Utah St. 

All that in spite of our best player being injured.  And, we still have one of the best front courts in all of college hoops. So calling out St. Mary's makes no sense, Gary.

Since: Feb 26, 2007
Posted on: February 24, 2009 11:42 am

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I like your point about Northwestern, however I don't want to base a whole argument off one game.

All I am trying to say is that the Big Ten is much better than everyone thinks, except for a few analysts who know their stuff. People think Big Ten basketball is crap because it is so low scoring, but thats just because they play good defense. I know I said this before, but I will say it again, the Big Ten has the second best rpi and had the second best non-conference record, yet they only have 3 teams in the top 25. Here's some good proof, out of conference Michigan beat UCLA, DUKE, and had a grinder at UConn just a couple weeks ago. However, they are getting owned by teams in the Big Ten. And Penn State would easily get 8 wins in the ACC and BE, along with many other Big Ten teams. When Boston College and Georgia Tech can get upset wins in the ACC, Penn State would have no trouble. BTW, I am not a Penn State fan.

And the LSU thing, c'mon someone needs to be in the polls from the SEC. They are the best team so they get the votes.

Since: Oct 23, 2008
Posted on: February 24, 2009 11:34 am

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I'd hardly say NU dominated us.  We were up at half.

Was that statement said to imply Northwestern is a better team than FSU?  If so, you may not want to lecture people on making ridiculous satements.

Since: Apr 3, 2008
Posted on: February 24, 2009 10:52 am

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I assume you're talking about the same, overrated Big Ten that includes Northwestern (9th place in the Big Ten).  Who dominated the Florida St. team you're saying should be ranked higher (2nd place). 

I realize we could play the head-to-head game all day, but I think people should be informed before they make ridiculous statements.

Since: Dec 3, 2006
Posted on: February 24, 2009 10:15 am

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First of all, you left out Vilanova as one of the Big East's top teams. Then you forget the reason St. Johns, Rutgers, DePaul, Seton Hall, and South Florida have less than respectable records. It is mainly because thet must play these top 5 Big East schools along with Syrscuse, Notre Dame, WVA, Cinci, & Prov. Reamo is more right than you are.

Since: Feb 8, 2009
Posted on: February 24, 2009 10:00 am

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I'd bet my life savings that 2 of St. John's, Rutgers, DePaul, Seton Hall, or South Florida would beat Penn State if Penn St. played all 5 on a neutral court.  Seton Hall, South Florida, and St. John's would have more wins if they played in the Big 10 or Pac 10.  They are actually better than people give them credit for.  If Seton Hall played in the SEC west, they'd be a tournament team.  Mark my word.



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Since: Oct 6, 2008
Posted on: February 24, 2009 8:38 am
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Since: Sep 22, 2006
Posted on: February 24, 2009 7:36 am

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err ... amend that.  Nobody save Memphis and PITT is asserting themselves ... sorry, Panther fans.

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