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The Poll Attacks

Posted on: March 2, 2009 5:05 pm
Edited on: March 2, 2009 6:56 pm

Taylor Rochestie's game-winning shot was great this weekend, I admit.

But great enough to put Washington State on somebody's ballot?

Not. Even. Close. Bud.

It's time to Poll Attack !

AP poll: Myron Medcalf of the Minneapolis Star Tribune ranked Pittsburgh eighth, and that's not even the craziest thing about his ballot. No, the craziest thing about his ballot is that he has Washington State ranked 22nd, which would make sense if the season started Feb. 21, because Washington State has been pretty good since Feb. 21, and the Cougars deserve some credit for that.

But a national ranking?


Washington State is currently sixth in the Pac-10 standings, 8-9 in the league and 16-13 overall. That alone suggests the Cougars shouldn't be anywhere near an AP ballot, and if you look closer it gets worse. They are 0-3 against the top 25 (in the RPI), 4-8 against the top 50, 5-11 against the top 100 and 10-13 against the top 200, meaning Tony Bennett's team actually has a losing record in games where their opponent doesn't have an RPI worse than 200.

Ranking somebody with that body of work is inexplicable. And what makes it worse is the fact that Myron has Xavier ranked a spot below Washington State, which means he thinks a team that is 10-13 against the top 200 is better than a team that is 19-5 against the top 200. Come on, man. Really?

Coaches poll: The main problem with the Coaches poll is that Connecticut isn't the unanimous No. 1. As I pointed out in the Top 25 (and one) , the Huskies have more wins (27) and fewer losses (2) than anybody, and they're doing this in what I believe is the toughest league in the country. The four No. 1 votes that didn't go to UConn went to Memphis, and though I'm not here to bash Memphis because I think the Tigers are absolutely good enough to make another Final Four (remember, Tiger fans, I have you ranked in the top five!), I can't help but wonder how somebody can justify having Memphis No. 1 on a ballot given that the Tigers have losses to two of the best three teams they've played, and that they have as many Big East losses as Connecticut despite not playing in the Big East.

Seriously, Memphis is 2-2 against Big East teams.

Connecticut is 15-2 against Big East teams.

I'm not sure what that means, exactly.

But I'm pretty sure it means UConn should be ahead of Memphis on every ballot.


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Since: Feb 27, 2007
Posted on: March 2, 2009 7:02 pm

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So a team that loses more recently
Hey, it's not UConn's fault that they've played six games against top 25 competition in the same time span that you have played one (since Christmas). Put them up against Memphis's schedule since Christmas and I'd bet they wouldn't have lost either.

Memphis is a good team, maybe even a great one (hard to tell when they hardly face any real competition for two months straight). But they don't have anywhere near the resume of UConn, Pitt, or UNC.


Since: Jan 26, 2009
Posted on: March 2, 2009 7:02 pm

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Since when are polls about who is better. Do you really think LSU is the 11th best team in the country? Memphis hasn't lost since Dec 20th, while everyone else ahead of them has. Just one reason why someone might vote them #1 right now. Looks like Gary accidently transposed LSU and Gonzaga in the rankings.  

Since: Nov 12, 2006
Posted on: March 2, 2009 6:55 pm

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TZToronto - Seriously?  You'd consider UNC for first place votes?  They're dynamic offensively, but have shown several times this year they either can't or won't defend anyone.  I just can't see them as an option for #1.

Since: Dec 3, 2006
Posted on: March 2, 2009 6:50 pm

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Using the above criteria ..  Louisville  14-2 against B.East teams & beating More top 25 -50 & 100 teams ---& Should Also be ranked above Memphis as well  !!!   Has Memphis beaten ANYBODY in or out of conference with Guards over 5-10 or a center more than 6-6 ... OR Anyone of Any significance...  They'd have 8-10 losses in BEAST or Acc... They get these Puffed Records, ergo--Great seeding in Ncaas, a few lucky Match ups & Viola --WOW--We're elite 8 caliber !!!  What an Illusion !!!
  Memphis fans --  Be gratefull you have supporters like Gary Parrish & others Trying to make you happy & not bust your ballooons But try to be a little Pragmatic Please ( i mean --Really--You MUST see it too)    OK-- Now that you're angry & all worked up-- Go out there & Beat up on Houston, Tulsa & Ignatious HS !!!   LOL

Since: Aug 29, 2006
Posted on: March 2, 2009 6:42 pm

UConn is 27-2; not 27-3

Not to nit-pick Gary, but UConn has only two losses; not three.



Since: Feb 2, 2009
Posted on: March 2, 2009 6:41 pm

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Gary --

Let's see . . . UConn lost to Georgetown, Pitt, and . . . where was that third loss?  Oh, wait.  UConn is actually 27-2, not 27-3.  Or perhaps you're making a prediction about next Saturday's game between the Huskies and the Panthers.

Of course, being a UConn fan, I have to agree with your thinking about Memphis.  Really good team?  No doubt about it.  Deserving of four first-place votes?  I don't think so.

Much as I dislike the Tarheels, if I were to give any other team a first-place vote, it would have to be UNC after their dismantling of Georgia Tech on Saturday. And in truth, I don't think that UConn deserves to be a unanimous first-place choice.  If Jerome Dyson were playing instead of sitting on the bench in street clothes, I might make UConn a unanimous choice for #1.

Based on the overall records, UConn, against very tough Big East competition, has the best Div-1 record in the country and hasn't lost an away game all season--and that's an accomplishment for any team.


Since: Aug 29, 2006
Posted on: March 2, 2009 6:41 pm

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Mempho-Fan -

Are you seriously trying to imply that Memphis is better, or even as good as, Connecticut? Because if you are, you're on some strong stuff...

Since: Mar 2, 2009
Posted on: March 2, 2009 6:08 pm

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So a team that loses more recently or a team that plays a lower RPI (Like NC) should be raited higher. Have you ever thought the coaches that rated Memphis higher, were teams that played Memphis. 


Why not jump on the 5 or 6 reporters on the AP that rate Memphis lower because Memphis isn't an SEC team and plays in a lousy conference.

Since: Dec 15, 2008
Posted on: March 2, 2009 6:06 pm

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Well he actually ranked Washington St. 22nd, but I totally agree that he seriously messed up by ranking them.

And how about Michael Vega ranking Davidson #18?  He ranked them higher than a Purdue team that wiped the floor with them earlier this season.

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