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The Poll Attacks

Posted on: March 2, 2009 5:05 pm
Edited on: March 2, 2009 6:56 pm
 

Taylor Rochestie's game-winning shot was great this weekend, I admit.

But great enough to put Washington State on somebody's ballot?

Not. Even. Close. Bud.

It's time to Poll Attack !

AP poll: Myron Medcalf of the Minneapolis Star Tribune ranked Pittsburgh eighth, and that's not even the craziest thing about his ballot. No, the craziest thing about his ballot is that he has Washington State ranked 22nd, which would make sense if the season started Feb. 21, because Washington State has been pretty good since Feb. 21, and the Cougars deserve some credit for that.

But a national ranking?

Please.

Washington State is currently sixth in the Pac-10 standings, 8-9 in the league and 16-13 overall. That alone suggests the Cougars shouldn't be anywhere near an AP ballot, and if you look closer it gets worse. They are 0-3 against the top 25 (in the RPI), 4-8 against the top 50, 5-11 against the top 100 and 10-13 against the top 200, meaning Tony Bennett's team actually has a losing record in games where their opponent doesn't have an RPI worse than 200.

Ranking somebody with that body of work is inexplicable. And what makes it worse is the fact that Myron has Xavier ranked a spot below Washington State, which means he thinks a team that is 10-13 against the top 200 is better than a team that is 19-5 against the top 200. Come on, man. Really?

Coaches poll: The main problem with the Coaches poll is that Connecticut isn't the unanimous No. 1. As I pointed out in the Top 25 (and one) , the Huskies have more wins (27) and fewer losses (2) than anybody, and they're doing this in what I believe is the toughest league in the country. The four No. 1 votes that didn't go to UConn went to Memphis, and though I'm not here to bash Memphis because I think the Tigers are absolutely good enough to make another Final Four (remember, Tiger fans, I have you ranked in the top five!), I can't help but wonder how somebody can justify having Memphis No. 1 on a ballot given that the Tigers have losses to two of the best three teams they've played, and that they have as many Big East losses as Connecticut despite not playing in the Big East.

Seriously, Memphis is 2-2 against Big East teams.

Connecticut is 15-2 against Big East teams.

I'm not sure what that means, exactly.

But I'm pretty sure it means UConn should be ahead of Memphis on every ballot.

 

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Since: Mar 3, 2009
Posted on: March 3, 2009 3:40 pm
 

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I am with you on UNC have some whiney players during those Doherty years; however, I don't think he got that raw of a deal for the following reasons:

- he recruited them, but couldn't get them to play for him.  The good coaches can not only recruit talent, but they mold that talent into a team.

- he leaves, and Roy wins with them.  Granted, they matured some as players, but he got them not only to play, but to play at the level necessary for a championship

- If he was so wronged, he would be coaching at a top level school.  I think he exhibited some flaws as a coach at UNC that have limited his opportunities since then.

On a Memphis note, I think they are playing great and deserve the recognition and high ranking they have; however, I don't think they or UNC deserve the #1 spot over UCONN right now.  Most wins, least amount of losses, and playing in one of (if not the) toughest conferences is enough for #1 RIGHT NOW.  I will agree that Memphis should be considered for a #1 seed, although they could get overlooked if the Big East gets two #1 seeds.

 

Jason,

First of all, good post.  Although I loved him as a player, Doherty isn't much of a coach.  SMU is probably where he belongs and I don't see him winning anything anytime soon, if ever.  Great guy though.

I have to take issue with UConn being THE #1 right now.  I think they have proven themselves very vulnerable.  Two very sketchy wins of late over ND and Southern Florida and a loss to Pitt at home (who then get throttled by Providence???).  What in those three games suddenly gets them moved up to No. 1?  I think either UNC or Memphis deserves it based upon recent results.  As I have said before, a Poll is a snapshot in time.  It represents, or should represent, where the team is right now.  UConn has lost arguably their best player.  They don't deserve the No. 1 spot.  IMHO that is.  As much as I hate to say it, if it wasn't for that totally embarrassing throttling that Louisville took from ND, they might even have an argument.

Cheers!


 




Since: Mar 3, 2009
Posted on: March 3, 2009 3:24 pm
 

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well my friend your leaving & important fact OUT of the equation....list as well who those teams have LOSSES to....there are some teams that have beaten those teams that are NOT ranked & have sub-par RPI's......

 

 




Since: Mar 3, 2009
Posted on: March 3, 2009 3:20 pm
 

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Line up & play...the game is not won on this post or in the polls....none of YOU want to play US....so quit yappin behind your computer & strap your shoes tight...we will stomp any of you




Since: Mar 3, 2009
Posted on: March 3, 2009 3:16 pm
 

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We also CRUSHED his UCONN team last year......

 

 




Since: Jan 10, 2008
Posted on: March 3, 2009 3:08 pm
 

Gary Parrish is ORANGE!

I was going to comment on basketball here, but instead i'm taking the opportunity to tell a story. One time, I spent a week at the beach and got so tan that I (according to my lover, Brian) turned orange.

My lover Brian E. from Glenolden never let me forget that, so i'd be remiss if I didn't mention that Gary Parrish is also orange! Cripes, fella! When you hit the tanning beds, do you also put one of those heart shaped stickers on so you have a heart on your "upper-vag" area?!




Since: Mar 3, 2009
Posted on: March 3, 2009 3:07 pm
 

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Your argument might hold validity if you based it only on one season, but since Memphis is the winningest team over the past four years and has the best RPI, it's no good. Sure, we aren't nearly as good as last year, but the defense is better. Memphis lost to Georgetown, but so did UConn, at home. It's silly to compare wins and losses against a conference when one team is a member and another team is not. Of course UConn going to have more wins!!!

BTW, didn't UL lose to Western Kentucky this year?? You can't tell me they're even as good as half the teams in CUSA, if you really want to start looking at who's beat who. 56 straight is an amazing accomplishment and it just makes me laugh when other leagues complain about our competition level. Good teams lose every night to teams the shouldn't lose to, but not Memphis. Memphis can't help who they've played in league, but when they line up and play other leagues, they've won much more than they've lost. 130-13 is hard to argue with partner, and I don't care what league you're in!




Since: Feb 10, 2009
Posted on: March 3, 2009 2:54 pm
 

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I'll preface this by saying that I am a huge Memphis fan. I have to admit that our resume does not compare with UCONN, PITT, or UNC. However, I think we are the next team and if given the opportunity to play a Big East/ACC schedule we would compare favorably with the 3 teams mentioned above. This is just my opinion and people cite our 2-2 record against Big East opponents this year but this is a small sample and just like in year's past the Tigers will have to prove AGAIN that they are an elite program.




Since: Sep 18, 2008
Posted on: March 3, 2009 2:47 pm
 

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So, based on UNC's game at Maryland, you can make that broad statement about their D.  I will tell you, you don't get to be 25-3 and first in the ACC playing no D.  If you think so, you are sadly mistaken.

Also, you can't just look at points against as the end all of defensive arguments.  Style of play and talent of opponents also contribute.   If you compare point differential, UNC is better at 19.4ppg vs. 16.8 of Memphis.  So, not only is UNC playing tougher teams, they are winning by a larger margin than Memphis. 




Since: Sep 18, 2008
Posted on: March 3, 2009 2:33 pm
 

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lockout-d,

I am with you on UNC have some whiney players during those Doherty years; however, I don't think he got that raw of a deal for the following reasons:

- he recruited them, but couldn't get them to play for him.  The good coaches can not only recruit talent, but they mold that talent into a team.

- he leaves, and Roy wins with them.  Granted, they matured some as players, but he got them not only to play, but to play at the level necessary for a championship

- If he was so wronged, he would be coaching at a top level school.  I think he exhibited some flaws as a coach at UNC that have limited his opportunities since then.

On a Memphis note, I think they are playing great and deserve the recognition and high ranking they have; however, I don't think they or UNC deserve the #1 spot over UCONN right now.  Most wins, least amount of losses, and playing in one of (if not the) toughest conferences is enough for #1 RIGHT NOW.  I will agree that Memphis should be considered for a #1 seed, although they could get overlooked if the Big East gets two #1 seeds.

 




Since: Apr 22, 2008
Posted on: March 3, 2009 2:28 pm
 

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In his post where exactly does Gary say that UConn has (3) losses Uconn fans?

Problem could be between the two (2) of you, you may only have one (1) UConn degree.

Not to NIT pick or anything. 

 



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