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The Poll Attacks

Posted on: March 2, 2009 5:05 pm
Edited on: March 2, 2009 6:56 pm
 

Taylor Rochestie's game-winning shot was great this weekend, I admit.

But great enough to put Washington State on somebody's ballot?

Not. Even. Close. Bud.

It's time to Poll Attack !

AP poll: Myron Medcalf of the Minneapolis Star Tribune ranked Pittsburgh eighth, and that's not even the craziest thing about his ballot. No, the craziest thing about his ballot is that he has Washington State ranked 22nd, which would make sense if the season started Feb. 21, because Washington State has been pretty good since Feb. 21, and the Cougars deserve some credit for that.

But a national ranking?

Please.

Washington State is currently sixth in the Pac-10 standings, 8-9 in the league and 16-13 overall. That alone suggests the Cougars shouldn't be anywhere near an AP ballot, and if you look closer it gets worse. They are 0-3 against the top 25 (in the RPI), 4-8 against the top 50, 5-11 against the top 100 and 10-13 against the top 200, meaning Tony Bennett's team actually has a losing record in games where their opponent doesn't have an RPI worse than 200.

Ranking somebody with that body of work is inexplicable. And what makes it worse is the fact that Myron has Xavier ranked a spot below Washington State, which means he thinks a team that is 10-13 against the top 200 is better than a team that is 19-5 against the top 200. Come on, man. Really?

Coaches poll: The main problem with the Coaches poll is that Connecticut isn't the unanimous No. 1. As I pointed out in the Top 25 (and one) , the Huskies have more wins (27) and fewer losses (2) than anybody, and they're doing this in what I believe is the toughest league in the country. The four No. 1 votes that didn't go to UConn went to Memphis, and though I'm not here to bash Memphis because I think the Tigers are absolutely good enough to make another Final Four (remember, Tiger fans, I have you ranked in the top five!), I can't help but wonder how somebody can justify having Memphis No. 1 on a ballot given that the Tigers have losses to two of the best three teams they've played, and that they have as many Big East losses as Connecticut despite not playing in the Big East.

Seriously, Memphis is 2-2 against Big East teams.

Connecticut is 15-2 against Big East teams.

I'm not sure what that means, exactly.

But I'm pretty sure it means UConn should be ahead of Memphis on every ballot.

 

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Comments

Since: Feb 17, 2007
Posted on: March 3, 2009 2:23 pm
 

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Saying UNC and Duke play no D is idiotic.  Saying it in all caps makes you look just plain stupid.

Did you watch UNC vs Maryland?  I rest my point!




Since: Feb 17, 2007
Posted on: March 3, 2009 2:21 pm
 

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The truth hurts, opponents are shooting somewhere around 46.8% against Duke and UNC.  I have watched the games and everyone knows that they do not play aggressive D and it is not in all caps!




Since: Sep 18, 2008
Posted on: March 3, 2009 1:42 pm
 

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Saying UNC and Duke play no D is idiotic.  Saying it in all caps makes you look just plain stupid.




Since: Feb 23, 2009
Posted on: March 3, 2009 1:42 pm
 

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Just for the record, Memphis fans, why is it that you only want to bring up the past 3 seasons as your claim to fame?  Could it be that you aren't so proud of your full history with Coach Calipari?

2000-2001 NIT 3rd place

2001-2002 NIT Champions

2002-2003 NCAA 1st round

2003-2004 NCAA 2nd round

2004-2005 NIT semifinals

2005-2006 NCAA Elite 8

2006-2007 NCAA Elite 8

2007-2008 NCAA runner up

Yes, I am a Tiger fan, but that looks like a nice, steady progression (especially when you consider we were only 2 agony-inducing missed free throws Yell from making the NCAA in 2004-05).  Doesn't the above just prove Memphis isn't a flash in the pan?  Don't you take the time to build things slowly when you're building it to last?

 

 




Since: Jan 11, 2008
Posted on: March 3, 2009 1:39 pm
 

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KingofMemphis,

I actually liked Matt Doherty and thought he was a great coach.  It's not his fault that Bill Guthridge didn't recruit, but then again Guthy just wanted to hit the golf course with Dean Smith.  Can't say I blame him.  Doherty got a raw deal thanks to the same whiney a$$ed players he recruited.  Still, even through the down years (where UNC didn't make the tourny) I still loved them.

etManiac88,

I'm not really a Memphis hater by any means, just stirring the pot up a bit.  They have definitely earned their success.  56 conference wins is no joke.  While I don't think this year's team is as strong as last year's, I do think it is entirely possible for them to at least make another Elite 8, but I think it's even more possible for them to be back in the Final Four.

Take it easy, you guys.  I'm just ribbing ya!




Since: Sep 26, 2006
Posted on: March 3, 2009 1:30 pm
 

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lockout-d I hate to say this, not being a Memphis supporter myself, but the info you provided describes a lot of top calber teams to some extent. Most teams havent been runner-up in the NCAAs in quite some time. Most teams haven't matched Memphis' level of success in the NCAA dance. I agree Memphis is in an inferior conference and can very easily be seen as overrated, but thats no reason to say they aren't an outstanding team because they are. No.1? No. Top 5? Probably not. Top 10? quite possibly. Top 20, definitely.  They may have an inferior schedule, but they haven't dropped any of these easier games, something many top teams cannot claim. So don't just write them off because of their conference. They did make the title game, even if they didn't win. And they were seconds away from winning anyway. So I will state again, I'm NOT a Memphis fan, BUT I can see why they get the respect they do despite their conference. UConn and UNC are the top 2 no doubt, but Memphis deserves some credit too.




Since: Feb 17, 2007
Posted on: March 3, 2009 1:29 pm
 

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I suppose the same reason UNC fans don't mention the Matt Doughtery years of going 53-43.  We can back if you want to 1972 Title game, 1985 final four that we would have won the championship had our crooked coach not been on the take or can mention 1986 when would have won it again but were on probation or maybe 1996 when a phantom hand check call against Arkansas kept us from moving on.  The past few years are the most relevant.

 




Since: Mar 3, 2009
Posted on: March 3, 2009 1:26 pm
 

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Just for the record, Memphis fans, why is it that you only want to bring up the past 3 seasons as your claim to fame?  Could it be that you aren't so proud of your full history with Coach Calipari?

 

I'm not ashamed of that record.  I'm very impressed that a coach can come in from scratch as Cal has done and get us to the Elite 8 in only 6 years - - and then stay there.  I don't see a problem.  He's a great coach.  Our recruiting class for next year is top 5 right now and will be #1 if we get Cousins and Wall.  I see many years of great runs in the tourney.  Kids love to play our brand of ball and Cal puts a lot of kids in the NBA - - and the ones that don't go pro, graduate.  Memphis sells out every game - -we even sold out last Saturday's game against Southern Miss in a snow storm. Att 18,500. 

What's not to be proud of?  Go Tigers!

 

 




Since: Jan 11, 2008
Posted on: March 3, 2009 1:13 pm
 

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Just for the record, Memphis fans, why is it that you only want to bring up the past 3 seasons as your claim to fame?  Could it be that you aren't so proud of your full history with Coach Calipari?

2000-2001 NIT 3rd place

2001-2002 NIT Champions

2002-2003 NCAA 1st round

2003-2004 NCAA 2nd round

2004-2005 NIT semifinals

2005-2006 NCAA Elite 8

2006-2007 NCAA Elite 8

2007-2008 NCAA runner up

 

Please pardon the rest of us while we doubt your recent success.




Since: Mar 3, 2009
Posted on: March 3, 2009 1:10 pm
 

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As a Coug fan, I must start by saying they are absolutely not a top 25 team.  That is a no brainer and Medcalf is an idiot.  But they are a MUCH improved team that has found its identity through a tough Pac 10 schedule.  The Pac 10 is not the Big East for sure, but should not be dismissed as many people have this season.  The Cougs last half of conference play has shown how much they have matured, with three or four freshman getting playing time in every game.  They have become the best 16-13 team in the nation. Coach Bennet has let off the reigns a little bit and it has payed off with increased scoring without giving up their signature D. (The ASU game was the latest exception, both teams like a slower grinding pace.) Beating UCLA, Arizona, and ASU back to back to back shows the strides they have made and has made all Coug fans proud! 

Oh yeah, UConn is definitely unanimous #1.  Calhoun is a great coach with talented players and they have proved themselves all season.



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