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The Poll Attacks

Posted on: March 2, 2009 5:05 pm
Edited on: March 2, 2009 6:56 pm

Taylor Rochestie's game-winning shot was great this weekend, I admit.

But great enough to put Washington State on somebody's ballot?

Not. Even. Close. Bud.

It's time to Poll Attack !

AP poll: Myron Medcalf of the Minneapolis Star Tribune ranked Pittsburgh eighth, and that's not even the craziest thing about his ballot. No, the craziest thing about his ballot is that he has Washington State ranked 22nd, which would make sense if the season started Feb. 21, because Washington State has been pretty good since Feb. 21, and the Cougars deserve some credit for that.

But a national ranking?


Washington State is currently sixth in the Pac-10 standings, 8-9 in the league and 16-13 overall. That alone suggests the Cougars shouldn't be anywhere near an AP ballot, and if you look closer it gets worse. They are 0-3 against the top 25 (in the RPI), 4-8 against the top 50, 5-11 against the top 100 and 10-13 against the top 200, meaning Tony Bennett's team actually has a losing record in games where their opponent doesn't have an RPI worse than 200.

Ranking somebody with that body of work is inexplicable. And what makes it worse is the fact that Myron has Xavier ranked a spot below Washington State, which means he thinks a team that is 10-13 against the top 200 is better than a team that is 19-5 against the top 200. Come on, man. Really?

Coaches poll: The main problem with the Coaches poll is that Connecticut isn't the unanimous No. 1. As I pointed out in the Top 25 (and one) , the Huskies have more wins (27) and fewer losses (2) than anybody, and they're doing this in what I believe is the toughest league in the country. The four No. 1 votes that didn't go to UConn went to Memphis, and though I'm not here to bash Memphis because I think the Tigers are absolutely good enough to make another Final Four (remember, Tiger fans, I have you ranked in the top five!), I can't help but wonder how somebody can justify having Memphis No. 1 on a ballot given that the Tigers have losses to two of the best three teams they've played, and that they have as many Big East losses as Connecticut despite not playing in the Big East.

Seriously, Memphis is 2-2 against Big East teams.

Connecticut is 15-2 against Big East teams.

I'm not sure what that means, exactly.

But I'm pretty sure it means UConn should be ahead of Memphis on every ballot.


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Since: Feb 17, 2007
Posted on: March 3, 2009 1:09 pm

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Hattie, why do you label Memphis players as thugs?  That has the most condescending remark you could possibly make!  Look at our graduation rate it is close to 80% while Louisville is close to 42%.  If thugs graduate from college then that would make me a thug too!  Are you a thug?  That means that the majority of the people on this msg board are thugs.  Explain that Derrick Character fellow to me please. 

This is argument is getting old!  Very old!  Here is some valid points, for the haters:

-Memphis has not had a bad loss in years.  We beat the teams that we are supposed to beat and if we loose it is never a bad loss and our loses have come to teams that are/were ranked and those losses came earlier in the season.

-Your team's success is measured by what they do in March!  Not November, December, January, but March!  Sorry, if your team wins their conference and has a gaudy conference record and flounders in the tourney, what they did is irrelevant, PERIOD!

-Games are won with D my friends!  Look and see where Memphis ranks defensively in the country!  Don't say it is against pantsies because you said the same thing last year and locked down the likes of Augustine, Abrams, Love, Nietzel etc.  Look it up!

-Talent and coaching wins games not conference affiliation.  We are not winning with unheralded talent, most of these guys were highly rated players and we all know that Cal is a great coach.

-Who in the hell would not want to be in our position?  I mean really, do us as fans really care about BCS money or playing big named teams that live off of their name and the product that put on the court is not that great?  Let me answer that, hell no!  We only care about is getting to the title game.  Does it matter that UNC goes 16-0 in the conference and wins the conference tourney if they don't get past the sweet 16?  Duke and UNC has a name and they have talent but hell, these teams give 3-4 McDonald all americans every year!  Ideally they should win every year.  These teams are good teams but it is on element that is missing from both.  They do not play D, period!  They have offense but no D.


Since: Jan 24, 2008
Posted on: March 3, 2009 1:01 pm

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Guess that's what the tournament is for, isn't it?

Since: Feb 23, 2009
Posted on: March 3, 2009 1:01 pm

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statfanatic, I think it's safe to say a lot of people are pointing out the weaknesses in Memphis' resume (read the other 9 pages under this blog).  And a slight correction, Pitt has played 3 200+ teams and also chose to play a 300+ team (UCONN chose to play 3 300+ teams).  I'm using the word "chose" because Memphis only chose to play 1 200+ team, Marist, which was a game against an ex- Memphis assistant.  The other 200+ games, being in conference, were out of their control. 

That leads to your last question.  Comparing Memphis to Big 6 teams is hard to do.  Do you want to put more weight into pre-conference games that occur while teams are still in flux?  OK, that knocks Memphis down a few seeds, but it also does the same to Louisville (I know they're better than that, so relax Card fans :) )  Is it fair to allow teams such as Louisville the opportunity to move up and not Memphis?  I don't think the NCAA would dare to let that happen.  That would mean Big 6 teams have an unfair advantage (can you say bye to the BCS?).  I think everyone just has to get used to the way things are now.  For Tiger fans, it's a pleasant consequence to what we thought was the end of the world.


We talk so much about tournament resume at this point, and for some reason no one points out the weakness in their resume.  They are hardly a top 15 team, let alone a #1...Why do we not put Memphis up to the same standard we hold everyone else?



Since: Jan 11, 2008
Posted on: March 3, 2009 1:00 pm

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Here's a little math you forgot to include in comparing UConn to Memphis, and these are really important.  UConn, 2 losses.  Memphis, 3 losses.

Since: Jul 11, 2008
Posted on: March 3, 2009 12:45 pm

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So here we are...the week of 2March2009, two weeks away from Selection Sunday, and NOW you 'experts' want to show a little love to the Bluejays huh.  Thanks, but no thanks.

Last week CU was at the bottom of the list of 'Also receiving votes' and this week they have leaped to the top of that list - Wow.  Little Creighton, always the doorman (let alone Bridesmaid), never the Bride; receiving a bit of positive press coverage after months of being ignored.  Not certain whether 'thank you' or 'kiss my grits' is the appropriate response. We don't need your rankings...we're coming to the Dance without your Blessings.  We're coming to kick butt and take names.  Keep your little rankings - give it to Maryland or to Providence, someone who 'needs' it.  We will take our respect with performance in the Dance.  Not gonna subscribe to the 'better late than never' school of recognition.  Where's Billy Self and KU...c'mon down.


The little guys are being systematically squeezed out of the Dance - very reminescent of the way the Independents were squeezed out back in the mid to late 1970's.  (Might be time to form a Div 1A Tourney with the CBI - or move to a new College Basketball organization for conferences #8 - #22.)  The NCAA is firmly 'in the pocket' of the Big Six Conferences and it is just a matter of time before all of the little conferences are excluded from the Div 1 Party.




Since: Mar 3, 2009
Posted on: March 3, 2009 12:40 pm

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Connecticutt barely beats Buffalo and LaSalle.  Has trouble (2x) with Notre Dame, only beats Gonzaga by 5 and Gonzaga hangs 83 on 'em.  Memphis beat Gonzaga by 18 and holds them to 50.  Memphis beats Seton Hall @SH by 15.  UConn beats em RECENTLY by 8 @SH.

Lately, they lose unimpressively to Pitt and only beat South Florida (a recent CUSA team) by 15 and Notre Dame at home by 7.  They've lost their top scorer and will probably lose their next game to Pitt.

Who's overrated?




Since: Dec 2, 2008
Posted on: March 3, 2009 12:24 pm

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Gary clearly sates in his poll that uconn has 27 wins and 2 losses

Since: May 23, 2007
Posted on: March 3, 2009 12:23 pm

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Washington State has been playing well lately, and even in the games they lost, they were playing well. That's what happens when you have 9 freshmen on the team. The person who ranked tham high must have noted that they are a good team (now) and thinks they are as good as Xavier etc...And I agree, they could match up well with many ranked teams. Isn't that what the poll should reflect (how good a team is), not just reflect the record. If it is just supposed to reflect the record, why have a poll at all? A poll is subjective, opinion based. It is supposed to take momentum etc... into account. Too bad the Cougs blew a couple close games (USC, OSU). If they held on, they would be a tourney team for sure. Remember, nine freshmen.

Since: Dec 1, 2008
Posted on: March 3, 2009 12:16 pm

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On the case of Memphis....

    We talk so much about tournament resume at this point, and for some reason no one points out the weakness in their resume.  They are hardly a top 15 team, let alone a #1.  1-2 vs top 25, 4-3 vs top 50, 5-0 vs 200+ teams?  Pitt has only played 1 200+ team and is 5-2 vs top 25, 7-2 vs top 50.  While Uconn is 4-1 vs top 25, 9-2 vs top 50, and played only 3 games vs 200+ teams.   

Bottom line, Memphis has a weak schedule, and a less than impressive Resume...and should be a 3 or 4 seed at best.  Why do we not put Memphis up to the same standard we hold everyone else?

Since: Dec 29, 2008
Posted on: March 3, 2009 12:14 pm

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Leafs-well put. They beat UCLA not UCONN in the tourney. San Diego beat UCONN in the first round.

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