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How the possible No. 1 seeds stack up

Posted on: March 15, 2009 11:18 am
Edited on: March 15, 2009 3:33 pm
 

NEW YORK -- By most accounts, there are still six schools in play for the four No. 1 seeds.

They are Pittsburgh, Duke, North Carolina, Louisville, Memphis and Connecticut.

The following is a look at what each has done this season, to date.

-- PITTSBURGH --

  • RPI: 1
  • Record vs. projected NCAA tournament teams: 8-3
  • Losses to projected non-NCAA tournament teams: 1 (Providence)

-- DUKE --

  • RPI: 2
  • Record vs. projected NCAA tournament teams: 11-6
  • Losses to projected non-NCAA tournament teams: 0

-- NORTH CAROLINA --

  • RPI: 3
  • Record vs. projected NCAA tournament teams: 6-4
  • Losses to projected non-NCAA tournament teams: 0

-- LOUISVILLE --

  • RPI: 4
  • Record vs. projected NCAA tournament teams: 8-3
  • Losses to projected non-NCAA tournament teams: 2 (UNLV, Notre Dame)

-- MEMPHIS --

  • RPI: 7
  • Record vs. projected NCAA tournament teams: 2-2
  • Losses to projected non-NCAA tournament teams: 1 (Georgetown)

-- CONNECTICUT --

  • RPI: 8
  • Record vs. projected NCAA tournament teams: 8-3
  • Losses to projected NCAA tournament teams: 1 (Georgetown)

(All projections are based on Jerry Palm's Sunday morning bracket .)

Comments

Since: Sep 1, 2006
Posted on: March 16, 2009 2:59 pm
 

How the possible No. 1 seeds stack up

Now Granted i'm a homer, but i dont see how Missouri doesnt match up against these teams.

--Missouri--

RPI:11

Record vs. Projected NCAA Tournament Teams 8-4

Losses to Non-NCAA Tournament Teams: 2 (Kansas St., Nebraska)




Since: Feb 14, 2008
Posted on: March 15, 2009 4:44 pm
 

How the possible No. 1 seeds stack up

This again is another example of why Gary is so great at what he does.  All the people at ESPN are simply arguing between UConn and Memphis getting the last #1, and are completely ignoring the ACC tourney champion and the team that has played and beaten more tournament teams than all the others in the conversation.  It seems strange in saying ESPN is not giving Duke the credit they deserve, but they really aren't.  When you look at the body of work of all the possible #1s it is amazing that Duke has beaten 11 probable tournament teams where others have at most played 11 total games against tourney teams.  If the names were left out and you say one team is 11-6 against tourney teams and another is 2-2, no rational person could say the team that is 2-2 should get the nod.  Sure Memphis has done great the last three years in the tournament and have had a great season, but they just haven't played enough top teams to deserve a 1.  In my opinion Duke deserves the last 1 and Memphis and UConn should be fighting over the first and second 2 seed.  In the case of Memphis, I don't think placing them on the second line is a slight as Coach Cal would have everyone believe, I mean what other 2 seed has only played 4 tourney teams and is only .500 against those teams?  No matter where the chips fall, at this point you just have to go out and get 6 more wins, and rankings no longer matter.

 




Since: Apr 15, 2008
Posted on: March 15, 2009 4:14 pm
 

How the possible No. 1 seeds stack up

Memphis or Duke will recieve the last no. 1 seed.  There is no way in hell the committee will give UConn a no. 1!  They didn't play well enough down the stretch and did not win their conference regular season or tourney title.  They have also lost 3 of their last 6 games.  If they had won 1 game in the beast tourney then maybe they would be deserving of a 1 seed, but they will end up as the 2nd 2 seed behind either Memphis or Duke.  UConn also as you can see has the weakest RPI of all vying for a 1 seed.  By the way Memphis beat Gonzaga by 18 at Gonzaga, UConn only won their by 5.  Another point against UConn getting the last 1 seed.  If Duke gets it, fine they won their conf. tourney and have the higher rpi and most wins over any of the other 1 seed candidates vs. potential tourney teams.

 

 




Since: Mar 1, 2009
Posted on: March 15, 2009 4:07 pm
 

How the possible No. 1 seeds stack up

If you know they won't get a one seed, why would they be on this list?  They didn't even make it to their conference tournament and their regular season wasn't as strong as these teams on this list.

I believe it will be Pitt, Louisville, Duke, and UNC, with Louisville earning the overall number one because they are the only team to win their regular season title and their conference tournament.  I know Memphis fans are going to eat this, but they've only played 4 probable tournament teams and lost to two of them.  Memphis, Oklahoma, UConn, and Michigan State will earn two seeds.  I really don't think Oklahoma deserves a two seed, but isn't it amazing two weeks ago the probable number one seeds were UNC, UConn, Pitt, and Oklahoma.  Matter of fact they've been in consideration all year, now only two of them remain.

I really don't think it matters what seed, it will be a very exciting tournament regardless.

 




Since: Feb 27, 2007
Posted on: March 15, 2009 3:02 pm
 

How the possible No. 1 seeds stack up

I don't see why Michigan State (RPI 5, 13-4 vs. tournament teams, 2 losses to non-tourney teams) isn't in the discussion as well. I don't expect them to get a #1, but why aren't they at least being considered?

 

 




Since: Feb 23, 2009
Posted on: March 15, 2009 2:05 pm
 

How the possible No. 1 seeds stack up

Memphis really should not be in the discussion because when you look at it a little further it is even more desturbing.  Memphis best win was against a team that will be a 5 seed at best.  All those other teams have beat 1-2 seed type teams.  I would still put Pitt, North Carolina, Louisville, and Connecticut over the other teams even if Duke wins today.  North Carolina beat Duke both times and is clearly the better team.  Connecticut has 2 less losses than Duke and beat Louisville who is going to be a 1 seed.  Duke has not beaten a team that will be a 1-2 seed.  Memphis has done nothing and when you have only played 4 teams that are going to be in the NCAA tournament and were 2-2 against them then you should not be in this discussion for a #1 seed.  It is a crime that you have people on TV and other so called professionals talking them up for a 1 seed.  Why is it that the every day person can break down these #'s and they can't.  I remember in 2003-04 Pitt was 29-4 and people thought they could be a 1 seed and a for sure 2 seed but the they were screwed and given a #3 seed and put them with Oklahoma State who was 27-3 as the 2 seed with them.  The idiots reason for this was Pitt had a weak OCS.  I can tell you Pitt played a much tougher schedule that year than Memphis did this year because Pitt played the Big East Schedule and won the Big East regular season championship.  So Pitt had many more solid wins against top 25 opponents and won the majority of those but they get a 3 seed because of a weak OCS but a team like Memphis who only played 4 tournament teams and split 2-2 is a 1 seed.  I will lose faith in the process if Memphis is a 1 seed.  

I honestly don't think they should look at anything besides overall SOS and how your team faired against top 25 competition when picking 1 seeds.  Records of course should come into play when those other things are fairly equal but Memphis clearly does not have the same type of win's or even near the quality of competition that those other teams played.  

Only 4 tournament teams played and were 2-2 against them, #1 seed COME ON!!! 




Since: Mar 11, 2009
Posted on: March 15, 2009 1:27 pm
 

How the possible No. 1 seeds stack up

hey gary, where do you get these updated rpi from?? ncaa.com and most places have it only updated til March 8. 




Since: Mar 11, 2009
Posted on: March 15, 2009 12:45 pm
 

How the possible No. 1 seeds stack up

ok so Louisville, Pitt, UNC are locks.  I would love to see the commitee give Memphis a shot (25 consec wins, conf tourney champ) but that sadly won't happen so UConn will probably get the nod unless Duke wins the ACC conference tourney and that would give them the edge.




Since: Dec 4, 2008
Posted on: March 15, 2009 12:15 pm
 

Memphis doesn't stack up!!

 Look at the stats Memphis didn't play anyone. They were only 2-2 verses projected tourney teams. I think the 3 Big East Teams belong and then either Duke or UNC. I know UNC beat Duke twice but they also didn't play as tough of a schedule.

My choices Pitt, Duke (if they win today), Louisville and Connecticut.




Since: Feb 8, 2007
Posted on: March 15, 2009 11:43 am
 

How the possible No. 1 seeds stack up

We'll have writers at every site.

I'll be in Greensboro.

gp



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