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NBA Playoffs dominated by non-college players

Posted on: May 18, 2009 10:59 am
 

Anybody who reads here much knows that -- though I loved writing about Kevin Durant, Michael Beasley and Tyreke Evans -- I think the NBA's age-limit rule preventing high school players from jumping directly to the NBA is ridiculous, and that those who pretend college basketball is necessary to prepare prospects are either stupid, naive or blind to all the information suggesting otherwise.

Which brings me to these NBA Playoffs.

We are now down to the final four teams, and the leading scorer for those four teams - Kobe Bryant of the Lakers, Carmelo Anthony of the Nuggets, LeBron James of the Cavs and Dwight Howard of the Magic -- combined to play a grand total of one season of college basketball. Furthermore, none of the top three regular-season scorers from the Lakers (Bryant, Pau Gasol and Andrew Bynum) or Magic (Howard, Rashard Lewis and Hedo Turkoglu) played a minute of college basketball, and none of the remaining contenders' top three scorers from the regular season did more than two years of college.

Now look at it this way ...

-- TOP THREE ACTIVE REGULAR-SEASON SCORERS FOR REMAINING NBA CHAMPIONSHIP CONTENDERS--

1. LAKERS
  • Kobe Bryant: Zero years of college
  • Pau Gasol: Zero years of college
  • Andrew Bynum: Zero years of college
2. NUGGETS
  • Carmelo Anthony: One year of college
  • Chauncey Billups: Two years of college
  • J.R. Smith: Zero years of college
3. CAVS
  • LeBron James: Zero years of college
  • Mo Williams: Two years of college
  • Zydrunas Ilgauskas: Zero years of college
4. MAGIC
  • Dwight Howard: Zero years of college
  • Rashard Lewis: Zero years of college
  • Hedo Turkoglu: Zero years of college
Add it up and nine of the 12 leading regular-season scorers (who are currently active) from the Lakers, Nuggets, Cavs and Magic never played college basketball. Six (Bryant, Bynum, Smith, James, Howard and Lewis) went directly from American high schools to the NBA, three (Gasol, Ilgauskas and Turkoglu) are international players, and the other three (Anthony, Billups and Williams) played in college for a combined total of five seasons.

So again, I love college basketball would like to see all the greats play four years.

I'm sure you would, too.

But let's not pretend it's always the best way or even necessary to develop as a player.

Because these NBA Playoffs are clearly suggesting otherwise.
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Comments

Since: Aug 29, 2006
Posted on: May 19, 2009 5:25 pm
 

NBA Playoffs dominated by non-college players

Hey Tiger

I totally disagree... I wish players had to play 2 years of college... and I'll tell you why.

Stop WATERING down a good product!

Ever wonder why NBA is not even a top 5 watched sport? The commissioner thought it was the hip-hop look turning off white America.
Well, changing the appearance of the players hasn't changed it...

or maybe it's because NO ONE wants to watch a bunch of 'KIDS' play a game that costs a lot of money to go see. Even a Clippers ticket will cost you $60.

for every Kobe and Labron there is a Darius Miles or Kwame Brown

If every player has to play at least one year of college, then we will start seeing NBA Draft being more meaningful... instead of hoping someone will be good... you can see if they will be good.

In another 2 years the NBA will be a better sport for forcing the college issue... New fans will watch the Pros because 'so-n-so' played at their college... just wait

And if you believe that going to Europe will circumvent the issue... just wait to see what happens to 18 year olds playing on foreign soil... they won’t be better than any kid going to school for one year!



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Since: Mar 29, 2009
Posted on: May 19, 2009 5:24 pm
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Since: Oct 30, 2006
Posted on: May 19, 2009 5:03 pm
 

NBA Playoffs dominated by non-college players

You act like all these players dominated from their rookie year. All those players needed a few years to be as dominante as they are now. So actually,  no high school player will come right in the NBA and lead a team deep on the playoffs. It takes time to learn a few things about the game like these players had before they became as good as they are now.



Since: Sep 14, 2007
Posted on: May 19, 2009 4:28 pm
 

NBA Playoffs dominated by non-college players

It wasnt long agao I said some kid will go to the euro league skip high school then come to the nba 1 year later.  If these HS players really want cash they need to do what Brandon Jennings did.


In Hockey kids get drafted @ 17 and can still play in the NCAA. Thats not fair to the NCAA ball players. I think its a racist thing against these black kids. 

However, The NBA should allow kids to be drafted play in college then come to the NBA when they are ready. 

For every Lebron there is a Jonathan Bender.  For every Carmelo there is a Ricky Davis. 

Nuff said.  




Since: May 21, 2007
Posted on: May 19, 2009 3:58 pm
 

NBA Playoffs dominated by non-college players

Not so fast Mr. Parish. I know that a lot of players that have skipped college have turned out to be great pro's such as Kobe, Lebron, and Garnett.  One thing you failed to mention are the players that skipped college who have been bust.  The rule that prevents high school kids from entering the draft is more then just developing their skills its about getting them an education and limiting the amount of failures along with developing their skills.  What about the Kwame Browns, Ndudi Ebi, and  Korleone Young’s of the world who haven't amounted for anything in the NBA?  These players have done nothing in the NBA with the exception of Kwame who continues to disappoint with every team that gives him a chance.  This doesn’t even count the amount of HS Players that didn’t even get drafted.  These players would have been better off going to college for at least 1 year for the reason mentioned above. 




Since: Mar 14, 2008
Posted on: May 19, 2009 3:16 pm
 

NBA Playoffs dominated by non-college players

Jordan, Bird, Magic, the rest of the original dream except Shawn Kemp, Kareem, Wilt, Russell, West, Walton, etc played college ball



Since: Apr 13, 2008
Posted on: May 19, 2009 2:45 pm
 

NBA Playoffs dominated by non-college players

Ive got to be honest i havent bothered reading all the previous comments so apologies if this has been said already. What you have shown us Gary is that the top 3 SCORERS on each team have little to no college experience but what about the players who are great at the fundamentals and defense? Some players certainly have a natural ability for defense (Howard has the physique to do whatever he wants for example) but the majority of the great defenders of recent times(since Garnett entered the NBA) have had a few years of college at least: Duncan (4 years), Camby (3 years), Bowen (4 years), Wallace (2 years...sort of), Artest (2 years), Battier (4 years), Shaq (2 years)... you get the picture.

My point is that spending time at college teaches kids these fundamentals and enhances their basketball IQ and I for one am far more appreciative of these type of players


      
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Since: May 19, 2009
Posted on: May 19, 2009 2:38 pm
 

NBA Playoffs dominated by non-college players

Thanks for being in charge of preventing the destroying of lives. It's good to know that there is someone out there that knows what is best for us and will make sure we can not make our own decisions.



Since: Aug 18, 2006
Posted on: May 19, 2009 2:23 pm
 

NBA Playoffs dominated by non-college players

Why are players like gasol and Big Z included in this?  They may not have playe college ball in America, but they did have previous competive level experience above the HS level.

While I agree with most of what you're saying, I think you're skewing your data a bit.  If those players went straight from their H equivalent, OK, but most of them have international playing time for their country's team.  Kind of like if a player comes out of HS and plays for USA basketball for a few years, then enters the NBA.  Sure he didn't play in college, but he now has some experience playing above the HS level, instead of coming out raw.



Since: Apr 25, 2008
Posted on: May 19, 2009 1:32 pm
 

NBA Playoffs dominated by non-college players

Gary - one year does not a trend make. (Isn't that what we're warned about investing in mutual funds? See what happened there.) In concept, I even agree with your premise. But if you're going to apply this approach, shouldn't you show that it consistently holds up? Unfortunately, the 2007 and 2008 playoffs only back you up 50% if you include guys who were one and done.

2008 Playoffs

LAKERS
Bryant (0 years)
Gasol (Euro)
Odom (1+ years - he had a redshirt due to a transfer before playing his first year)

SPURS
Ginobili (Euro)
Duncan (4 years)
Parker (Euro)

CELTICS
Pierce (3 years)
Garnett (0 years)
Allen (4 years)

PISTONS
Hamilton (3 years)
Billups (2 years)
Prince (4 years)

2007 Playoffs

SPURS
Duncan (4 years)
Parker (Euro)
Ginobili (Euro)

JAZZ
Boozer (2 years)
Okur (Euro)
Williams (3 years)

CAVALIERS
James (0 years)
Hughes (1 years)
Ilgauskas (Euro)

PISTONS
Hamilton (3 years)
Billups (2 years)
Prince (4 years)

First off, my apologies if I get a year missed here or there. I tried looking up a few of them, but their Wikipedia entries (like for Boozer) were unclear, so I went with what I thought I remembered. But by this recollection, that means the previous 2 playoffs (I didn't feel like delving further), we had:

2008 Playoffs: 3 Euros, 2 straight to NBA, 1 one-year player, and 6 who played 2 or more seasons in college
2008 Playoffs: 4 Euros, 1 straight to NBA, 1 one-year player, and 6 who played 2 or more seasons in college

If anything, the 3 year trend may say that actually having one or more Euros on your team might be advantageous for playing deep into the playoffs. But again, does it really mean that? I have my doubts about that, too.

In the end, this type of analysis is relatively weak in showing that forcing one year of college isn't going to help the product on the court. Again, I'm not sure I agree with the stance, but the analysis just doesn't support it as a trend.


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