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Barnes cuts list; Xavier gains commitment

Posted on: August 23, 2009 4:35 pm
 

Harrison Barnes, Scout.com's top player in the Class of 2010, has narrowed his list of possible colleges.

That list (according to Scout.com):
  • Duke
  • Iowa State
  • Kansas
  • North Carolina
  • Oklahoma
  • UCLA
Barnes will reportedly visit UNC on Sept. 4-5.

No timetable has been made for his final decision.

Meantime, Xavier got a commitment from a Top 100 prospect on Sunday. Justin Martin, a 6-foot-7 forward from Indianapolis, committed to the Musketeers just before leaving from a weekend visit to campus. Scout.com ranks him as the 87th-best prospect in the country.
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Since: Aug 31, 2008
Posted on: August 27, 2009 11:52 am
 

Barnes cuts list; Xavier gains commitment

As a Kentucky fan at a school that has had various scandles throughout the years it worries me that Coach Cal has a shady past but the problem with that thinking is that every school that gets a highly touted recruit dabbles in the danger zone when it comes to violations.  From AAU coaches to family members to agents and other sources every player that is ranked in the top 50 of a recruiting site has some red flags it comes with trying to be the best program.  Harrison Barnes to me dropping Kentucky was a foregon conclusion even before the scandal I think most people did not expect him to even visit the school.  

Duke just last year was at a basketball event when recruiting was not allowed and reported violations will players not go to Duke because they may be doing something illegal the answer is no.  How about the whole Kansas Darell Arthur thing that is very similar to the Memphis deal or Bill Self talking to a kid that he was not supposed to or Lute Olsen sending a letter asking people to donate money to an AAU event.  My point is this coaches try to get the upper hand anyway they can sometimes they get caught sometimes they do not.

Most kids will go where either the best chance to win a title is or the best chance to get into the NBA is and that is the way it is.  The whole stripping a school of wins in my opinion is really stupid unless the infractions were directly related to the sports program.  How is the school supposed to guarentee every single recruit of every sport does everything by the book they do all they can and if the kids make a mistake and the NCAA clears them anyway then the NCAA did something wrong not the school but that is a story for another time.




Since: Mar 21, 2008
Posted on: August 24, 2009 12:22 pm
 

Barnes cuts list; Xavier gains commitment

Boog, I agree with your statement to wheatgerm.

:  While you make very valid points, and I understand the basis for your argument, there's one flaw in your thinking.  Even when you can blame all these other players, committees, and administrators, there's one common denominator.

Coach Cal is in the middle of all of it.


The government didn't prove that Al Capone was a gangster involved in illegal activities, either, only that he cheated on his taxes. So I wonder if wheatgerm has similar issues with people's "psychological questions" if they think that Capone was probably a gangster, even if it was never proven, or that "facts" didn't come to light before he was sent to prison for tax evasion.

I think there is room for reasonable doubt of Cal's innocence, just like there is room for reasonable doubt as to his guilt. However, IMO, it is stretching it to think that it is only "coincidence" that two different eligibility issues came to rise, at two different schools, while Cal was the coach. The world has made me cynical enough to question such coincidence, while I admit to the possibility.

I admit that nothing has been proven that he was involved, but as the head coach, he creates the environment that surrounds his program. He could have made it a policy that noone but athletes and athletic personnel could ride on the team plane, and that would have kept that violation from happening, then the issue of "someone else" in the athletic department 'neglecting' (As wheatgerm calls it) to charge the family member's credit card would not have been a possiblity.

So, wheatgerm, no fancy psychology needed here, just the good old fashioned reasonable prudent person test. I think a prudent person can reasonably question whether Cal "knew", or that he "should" have known what was going on around his program.

As someone on one of these threads mentioned, it took almost ten years for the "facts" to come out in a court of law, in the Michigan Fab 5 scandal. In Capone's case, many of the facts didn't come out before he went to jail, if they ever did.

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me. Where there is smoke, there is usually fire. These two sayings don't 'prove' anything, but I think they should give pause to anyone who thinks to support Cal.

For myself, I think Cal seems to be more like Al Capone, than he is like Mother Theresa. It appears reasonable to think that he is just very shrewd about covering-up any involvement in, and distancing himself from responsibility for, any wrong doing. To me it seems like Cal is the "Cutter" character from the Harrison Ford movie, waving his paper from the President, saying "Oh, you don't have a get out of jail free card, do you.", while Ford's character is going to get railroaded for being too naive, and Cutter is going to sail off with a clean bill of health. Or how about Bernie, the leader of the Ponzi scheme in New York, ran it for how long before it was uncovered?

I just don't see the need to look at this as some psychological pretzel, nor is rocket science required, to wonder just how much Cal knew, and when, and to state that I believe it is very possible he had knowledge or should have been able to use even something as low-brow as the smell test.

If he truly wanted to run a clean program, I think he could have worked harder to create an environment that showed an intolerance for wrongdoing. Now he takes over the UK program and the UK administration assures us that Cal has pledged to win championships "the right way". After wearing "Rose-colored" glasses, and neither seeing, hearing, nor speaking any evil before he left town, just in time, at his last two college coaching positions, that would seem to be a remarkable turn-around. And reasonable people can question whether it indicates that this time he will show an intolerance for wrong-doing, or whether it isn't really more obfuscation????

Oh, and Cal just happened to take some of the athletes that had verballed, or were considering signing to play for him at Memphis, with him to UK. That certainly seems like a "right way" to get started at his new job, doesn't it???? I think I'm correct in saying that many, if not most coaches would not heve "recruited" the athletes away from the school he was leaving. This is a ethically questionable move, rather than a squeaky-clean move that someone who is pledging to do things "the right way" would seem to make as his first public-image-changing move at his new job!? 



Since: Mar 23, 2007
Posted on: August 24, 2009 11:25 am
 

Barnes cuts list; Xavier gains commitment

Wheatgerm:  "Sometimes the fault lies with the kid"

Or maybe the entire coaching staff doesn't notice the kid's brother regularly flying with them on a private jet.  That seems perfectly plausible.  He just never saw Reggie on the plane.  That must be the case. 

I mean, if it seems like the whole world is "out to get you", maybe you aren't being paranoid.  OR ... maybe you really are guilty.




Since: Aug 10, 2006
Posted on: August 24, 2009 10:48 am
 

Barnes cuts list; Xavier gains commitment

:  While you make very valid points, and I understand the basis for your argument, there's one flaw in your thinking.  Even when you can blame all these other players, committees, and administrators, there's one common denominator.

Coach Cal is in the middle of all of it.

Sure, his hands may be "clean." Sure the paper trail doesn't lead to him.  Sure the blame falls elsewhere.  But the stink just keeps following him everywhere he goes.



Since: Aug 24, 2009
Posted on: August 24, 2009 9:53 am
 

Barnes cuts list; Xavier gains commitment

brachurt2003:  You're like one of those angry town hall people who have latched onto an idea they badly want to believe, even though there's no truth to it.

Your defamatory opinion is built on innuendo and conspiracy thinking.  You can't cite a single instance, not one, where the NCAA has implicated Calipari in anything of the kind.  So just how presumptuous are you to think you know better than the NCAA Committee on Infractions?  They're just the ones with the facts.

And here's something to think about:  Sometimes the fault lies with the kid.  Maybe he takes money from an agent (1996), maybe his lawyer tells him not to cooperate with an investigation into his SAT exam (2009).  Or maybe the atheletics business office neglects to charge his brother's credit card for a hotel room on December 4, 2007, though they charged him for other hotel rooms and flights with the team (2009).  It's not always the coach.  But that's the simple answer, the one that doesn't require any thinking.  So that's the answer that appeals to you.

The interesting psychological question is why people want to believe something so badly that facts don't get in the way.  That's pretty dangerous stuff.  We need to keep those people away from the torches and pitchforks.



Since: Nov 3, 2007
Posted on: August 23, 2009 9:33 pm
 

Barnes cuts list; Xavier gains commitment

That would be the wise thing to do if you want your college basketball accomplishments to count for something.  You wouldn't want to associate yourself with a chronic cheater.



Since: Apr 29, 2009
Posted on: August 23, 2009 9:30 pm
 

Barnes cuts list; Xavier gains commitment

All you have to do is be breathing and pulling for another team to do that.



Since: Mar 18, 2009
Posted on: August 23, 2009 7:12 pm
 

Barnes cuts list; Xavier gains commitment

Word is that Barnes eliminated Kentucky because of CAL's diminishing reputationIs that true? Or are you just trying to get kentucky fans worked up?Tongue out



Since: Oct 16, 2007
Posted on: August 23, 2009 6:18 pm
 

Barnes cuts list; Xavier gains commitment

Word is that Barnes eliminated Kentucky because of CAL's diminishing reputation



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