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The Poll Attacks (already in midseason form)

Posted on: October 29, 2009 5:41 pm
Edited on: October 29, 2009 7:11 pm

The preseason AP and Coaches polls were released today.

Thus, it's time for some preseason Poll Attacks .

(For those unfamiliar, The Poll Attacks are released Mondays during the season after the AP and Coaches polls are made public. It's the vehicle I use to highlight other's stupidity, and you can't imagine how much stupidity exists.)

AP Poll: Rarely would a school that returned four starters from a team that advanced to the second round of the NCAA tournament begin the subsequent season unranked. But Siena is not a part of the power structure voters respect, so the Saints got the shaft.

It's shameful.

Look, I've doubted Siena before, and I thought I had good reasons. But I'm not so stubborn that I can't adjust when I see a program advance in the NCAA tournament in consecutive seasons, which is why I adjusted and gave Siena the benefit of the doubt. The Saints deserve that considering what they've accomplished and what they return. If they flop, I'll punish them accordingly. But not getting a preseason ranking is wrong, I think.

Among those who did not vote for the Saints is Bill Cole from the Winston-Salem Journal .

He must hate non-BCS schools.

Because Cole not only omitted Siena, he also left Butler off his ballot.

Seriously, no Butler?

(Picture me YELLING that question)

The Bulldogs return every relevant part from a team that won 26 games and made the NCAA tournament for the third consecutive season. They have high-level players like Gordon Hayward, Matt Howard and Shelvin Mack, and there is absolutely no way to justify leaving the Bulldogs off a Top 25 ballot. Perhaps that's why Cole was the only of the 65 AP voters to do so. Meantime, Cole has UCLA 24th, meaning he ranked a NCAA tournament team returning just one starter 24th but did not rank an NCAA tournament team returning all five starters. Make sense of that, if you can.

Also: Cole has Kentucky ranked 12th.

I could spend 500 words telling you how off that is, but I'm ready to move on.

Coaches Poll: It took me 17 seconds of examining the Coaches poll to realize those 22 votes awarded to Southern California were probably intended for South Carolina and submitted under the label "USC." So why do you think the folks tabulating votes for the Coaches poll couldn't figure that out, too?

I mean, Southern California shouldn't be getting votes in a Top 50 poll, much less a Top 25 poll; that's why the Trojans got zero votes in the AP poll, because nobody voted for them and the people tabulating votes for the AP didn't senselessly award them points. And I'm furious if I'm South Carolina coach Darrin Horn. I'm not saying the Gamecocks deserve to be ranked, but they do deserve to get whatever votes they actually get. Mistakes like this shouldn't happen. It's embarrassing. For them, not me.
Category: NCAAB

Since: Nov 15, 2007
Posted on: October 30, 2009 1:54 pm

The Poll Attacks (already in midseason form)

You're an idiot. I can't remember Butler ever playing Wichita St? Maybe Wright St? And that "guarantee" you much money are you willing to put behind it? Horizon League opponents are able to keep games against Butler closer than non-conference opponents because they know Butler's system better.

Since: Apr 26, 2008
Posted on: October 30, 2009 12:48 pm

The Poll Attacks (already in midseason form)

I think one thing that is important to remember is that in the coaches poll, whether the coaches themselves admit it or not, they are voting for the teams that they would least want to play because of how their own team would fare against them.  And, even if you want to get mad about Kentucky not being ranked as high as you believe they should be, the majority of their stars have yet to play a real game.  So, even though the Wildcats may be as good as advertised, the majority of their freshmen will still have to undergo a transition in which they will realize they are not the only superbly talented athlete on the floor like most of them were in high school.  

Since: Oct 29, 2009
Posted on: October 30, 2009 12:34 pm

The Poll Attacks (already in midseason form)

Maryland also smacked around the exact same California team that everyone is in love with this preseason.

Since: Nov 12, 2006
Posted on: October 30, 2009 12:22 pm

The 24th Amendment

Repeal the Poll Attacks! Repeal the Poll Attacks!
Sorry, I lost my overtaxed mind there for a second.

Since: Oct 30, 2009
Posted on: October 30, 2009 11:53 am

The Poll Attacks (already in midseason form)

I can appreciate how you feel about Siena, but you could have replaced Siena with Western Kentucky, as the facts are identical.  The Hilltoppers were in the sweet sixteen in '08, one basket away from the sweet sixteen in '09, and have 4 starters returning, including the Sun Belt pre-season pick for player of the year in A J Slaughter.  As a matter of fact, considering WKU's recent history, a very strong case could be made that the real injustice in the pre-season polls lies with the Hilltoppers, and not Siena.  We Hilltopper fans have become a pretty jaded bunch of folks as to the polls.  Radney Dangerfield has nothing on us!!!  We will have the respect of the media by the time March Madness rolls around.  Mark my words!!!

Since: Jan 28, 2008
Posted on: October 30, 2009 11:20 am

The Poll Attacks (already in midseason form)

Ahhh yes the Poll Attacks.  This is one of my favorite things about CBS Sports basketball coverage.  I guess that I'm just a sucker for hearing about how stupid other people can be.  It makes me feel better when I do dumb things.
As a side note, I did a double take earlier in these comments when wildcatsfan1 posted that he despised UK and coach Cal.  I know there are plenty of other Wildcats (Zona, Nova, K St., etc.) but it still messed with me for a second.

Since: Oct 29, 2007
Posted on: October 30, 2009 10:45 am

The Poll Attacks (already in midseason form)

I would like "be all worried and stuff" about my team not being ranked, but it doesn't matter, they'll make the playoff, cough, um tournament and get their chance, so who cares.

Since: Nov 7, 2006
Posted on: October 30, 2009 9:52 am

The Poll Attacks (already in midseason form)

Please substitute WKU (Western Kentucky University) for Sienna in your original story.  WKU was much closer to the Sweet Sixteen than Sienna last year and WKU made the Sweet Sixteen the prior year.

Thank you for your cooperation.

Since: Aug 17, 2006
Posted on: October 30, 2009 9:36 am

The Poll Attacks (already in midseason form)

I am a Terp fan and although hopeful I realize with the current players we have barely made the top 45 to just make the NCAA tournament the last two years.   We do not deserve a top 25 yet, hopefully some players will blossom along with Grevis Vazquez and we certainly have the ability to earn that respect during the year with a occasionally difficult schedule and the ACC schedule.

Since: Jun 25, 2008
Posted on: October 30, 2009 8:51 am

The Poll Attacks (already in midseason form)

I know all about small Catholic schools that used to have football (all though I am not from that era). Xavier has shirts that say "Xavier Football: Undefeated sinc
e 1973". I'm pretty sure that they were in the Salad Bowl back in the day.

That Xavier vs Marquette game Early in the season should be a good game.

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