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The Poll Attacks

Posted on: December 7, 2009 5:00 pm
Edited on: December 7, 2009 8:28 pm

What's easier: Killing the BCS or killing the AP and Coaches polls?

I say both.

Let's Poll Attack !

AP poll:
It's to the point where I'm now getting text messages from people telling me whom to Poll Attack while I'm driving down the road. Swear to Tiger Woods, that happened Monday. The text said simply, "Check out Roger Clarkson's ballot. What a mess."

Naturally, I checked out the ballot of Roger Clarkson of the Athens Banner-Herald .

Man, what a mess.

First, he has Pittsburgh ranked 18th even though Pitt has no relevant players from last season's team, no good wins and a 16-point loss to Texas. There is absolutely nothing -- not preseason expectations, not current body of work, not anything -- to suggest Pitt is one of the best 25 teams in America, much less No. 18. But that's where Roger has the Panthers ranked. And would you believe that's not even the dumbest thing on his ballot?

(Trust me, it gets better!)

Roger also has Louisville ranked 20th. That's the same Louisville team that's 5-2 with no good wins, the same Louisville team that lost to UNLV (the Rebels are three spots below Louisville on Roger's ballot, by the way), the same Louisville team that's coming off an 87-65 home loss to a Charlotte team that earlier lost 101-59 to Duke. In other words, Louisville just lost by 22 at home to a team that lost by 42 at Duke. And yet Roger ranked Louisville 20th in the nation.

(But wait, there's more!)

Roger also has Washington ranked 16th and Texas Tech unranked even though Washington just lost at Texas Tech, and Texas Tech remains undefeated. And Roger has North Carolina ranked No. 8 and Syracuse ranked No. 13 even though North Carolina is 7-2 with a 16-point loss to Syracuse, and Syracuse remains undefeated. And Roger has Michigan State ranked No. 9 and Florida ranked No. 15 even though Michigan State is 6-2 with a loss to Florida, and Florida remains undefeated.

Man, what a mess.

Coaches poll: OK, follow me here.

Missouri State is 7-0 with a win over Tulsa.

Tulsa is 7-1 with a (lone) loss to Missouri State and win over Oklahoma State.

And Oklahoma State is 7-1 with a loss to Tulsa.

So to summarize, Oklahoma State has lost to Tulsa, which has only lost to Missouri State, which is undefeated. And yet the coaches have those teams in reverse order. OSU got 17 points, Tulsa got five and Missouri State got zero. I would ask you to make sense of that, but it's impossible to make sense of that, so let's not waste each other's time.
Category: NCAAB

Since: Dec 1, 2008
Posted on: December 7, 2009 7:12 pm

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   By your name I assume you live in a trailer park and sniff glue all day so I forgive your short Memory, but there was this crazy team from somewhere in Florida (totally obscure) who were preseason #1 and won the National Championship in 2007.  It may even be this totally obscure team that no one ever heard of who won in 2006 too (but I can't be sure). 

If you get tired of sniffing glue I reccomend permanent markers and gasoline.

Since: Aug 21, 2006
Posted on: December 7, 2009 7:11 pm

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They have that... it's called RPI. Average that in with the two polls and I suspect you will have the rankings of your dreams...
SOS has no relevance this early.

Since: Nov 28, 2009
Posted on: December 7, 2009 7:08 pm

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Ya... that sounds like a good idea. Now we can have Basketball BCS confusion too! Isnt one sport bad enough? I say keep it as it is. Let the AP have their pole and the coaches have theirs. We find out every year the rankings mean nothing anyway. When was the last time a preseason #1 won the National Chamionship? Kentucky 1998. Rankings dont mean a thing!

Since: Sep 17, 2006
Posted on: December 7, 2009 6:50 pm

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That's why I have Minnesota ahead of Butler and Florida ahead of Michigan State, because head-to-head competition (particularly on a neutral court) should serve as a tiebreaker when two schools' bodies of work are similar. Minnesota's body of work is similar to Butler's body of work just like Florida's body of work is similar to Michigan State's body of work. The only differences are that Minnesota beat Butler and Florida beat Michigan State. They should be ranked accordingly at this point in the season unless, of course, the games don't matter.Yet you have Duke ranked at #8 and Wisconsin ranked at #15 this week. Sealed

Since: Dec 1, 2008
Posted on: December 7, 2009 6:49 pm

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    Unfortunately Louisville does not have those 3 guys (might be important) who drove them from January through March the past two years.  Therefore, everyone does not know that Louisville will start playing in January, especially every idiot.  Not to mention your logic is flawed in general, and writers are not supposed to "keep teams in the polls" just based on where they believe they may end up.  

Lastly, Gary likely didn't forget to mention Louisville was playing without 2 starters and 1 key reserve, he just did not mention it...they got smoked by 2 mid-majors (albeit UNLV can clearly hang with BCS conference teams). 

Since: Dec 29, 2008
Posted on: December 7, 2009 6:34 pm

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I would guess regrading Louisville that they decided to keep them in the polls because every idiot knows that Louisville doesn't start playing until mid January! Seriously, are we really talking about a "down" year for somebody in December!?!? Also you forgot to mention Louisville was playing without 2 starters and 1 key reserve.

Since: Jan 6, 2007
Posted on: December 7, 2009 5:58 pm

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LOL... I like your humorous take.    But frankly,  the polls don't really matter yet.  There will be plenty of shuffling come March.  I think some of these voter  "chimps" you refer to have not starrted paying any attention to college basketball.  They are still too focused on college football and the NFL. 

Since: Jun 18, 2009
Posted on: December 7, 2009 5:55 pm

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What's clear is that the polls don't mean ANYTHING.

We have KenPom, Sagarin's, RPI...all of that goes into the selection committee's seeding of the tournament.  The polls are worthless and are good for nothing but bragging rights.

Since: Sep 22, 2006
Posted on: December 7, 2009 5:16 pm

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It gets clearer and clearer every week: we need to add some COMPUTERS into the polling so that SOS, road wins, and all that other stuff will be properly taken into account, as it is in the BCS system.

Or we could just place slips with the names of all the D-1 basketball teams in a hat and rank them in the order a lobotomized chimp pulls them out of a mixing bowl.

Seems about the same.

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