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What You Need To Know

Posted on: December 16, 2009 9:05 am
 

Tennessee pulled away late.

Jon Scheyer nearly had a triple-double.

Here's Wednesday's What You Need To Know:

Notable game from Tuesday: Tennessee led by only a point at halftime, but suffocated Wyoming late and cruised to a 77-58 victory at Thompson-Boling Arena. The No. 9 Vols held Wyoming to just 19 points over the final 23 minutes. They improved to 8-1. Wyoming is now 5-5. Sophomore Scotty Hopson led UT with 14 points.
 
Notable performance from Tuesday: Jon Scheyer hit 11 of 13 field goal attempts, including seven of nine from 3-point range, and finished with 36 points in 30 minutes to lead No. 7 Duke to a 113-68 win over Gardner-Webb. The senior set career highs in points (36), field goals (11), 3-pointers (seven) and assists (nine). Scheyer also had eight rebounds, meaning he was one assist and two rebounds from a triple-double.

Notable game scheduled for Wednesday: The 20th-ranked Ole Miss Rebels will try to extend their winning streak to five when they meet UTEP at the Desoto Civic Center in Southaven, Miss., just south of Memphis. Ole Miss is 8-1 (only loss to Villanova). UTEP is 5-1 and coming off a loss to New Mexico State. Tip-off is set for 8 p.m. ET.
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Since: Oct 15, 2006
Posted on: December 17, 2009 1:10 pm
 

What You Need To Know

Now I'm confused.  Where did I say I think the Illini should be ranked?  Go back and read my post.  I actually went further.  I said rattle off wins against Georgia, Mizzou, Northwestern, AND Gonzaga and the ranking will come back.  I understand that fans can be tilted, but make sure you read a post before you want to bash it. 

As for the recruiting nonsense.  I'm guessing you live outside of Illinois, and probably don't keep up with the Illini.  As such, you shoud know that Weber's recruiting practices came under high scrutiny throughout the state because he refused to adapt his recruiting strategy.  That strategy worked in the MVC, as you said, where the recruits are not being lambasted by power conference teams day in and day out.  The transition to his current recruiting strategy, which, among other things, includes getting in early with players and offering much earlier, is well documented.  And since that changed, the recruiting classes referenced above have come to pass, with no evidence of the current strategy lacking dividends in the future.  You are right that the old recruiting strategy produced some mediocre results, but with better recruiting, results usually improve as well.  If three years from right now, the Illini have the same type of results as the past three years, I'll take it all back, but I doubt I'll need to.

Finally, that nonsense about Self's players was so played out that it is comical that yet another person has mentioned it.  Self recruited them, but Weber made them a Final Four team.  If you want proof of Weber's skill as a coach, look at Deron Williams' interviews.  He credits Weber for making him the player he is.  When Self recruited Williams, he was a 4 star (and as you said, the talent really drops after 40, which is really not all that true, in my opinion), but after playing under Weber, he went 3rd overall.  Quite a jump, which he credits to Weber's coaching.  You and I can debate how good a coach is back and forth, but the only people that truly know are the players.  Take it from a Olympic gold medal winner, Weber can flat out coach.  If his recruiting follows suit, as it appears to be now, then the upside is big. 


bluegray213
Since: Dec 21, 2007
Posted on: December 17, 2009 11:37 am
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Since: Feb 9, 2007
Posted on: December 17, 2009 12:36 am
 

What You Need To Know

What you need to know is that Jon Scheyer didn't even have a double-double; he was in double digits on points only, and as we all know, "nearly" only counts in horse shoes and hand grenades. I'm not trying to take anything away from his performance, but if had been in double digits on at least 2 of the 3, I might agree with your "nearly had a triple-double". Why not just say that he had a notable performance with 36 points, 8 rebounds, and 9 assists in just 30 minutes of play, and that all three were career highs for him?



Since: Oct 15, 2006
Posted on: December 16, 2009 5:41 pm
 

What You Need To Know

Wow...where to start.  First, while I love the passion, it just isn't realistic to expect a ton of people to rank the Illini right now.  While the last two weeks have been more of what we Illini fans expected, the losses to Utah and Bradley will continue to taint the chance to be ranked nationally unless they run off the next 4 (Georgia, Mizzou, Northwestern and Gonzaga).  That should do the trick.  I mean, it should tell you there isn't a ton of "bias" when Paul Klee doesn't even rank the Illini.  Maybe he fears being Poll Attacked, but I imagine it is because he, like a majority of voters, believes there is more to prove in order to show that the losses were exceptions to the rule.

Second, bluegray, you have obviously not paid ANY attention to the recruiting rankings, which is really how people measure recruiting success until the recruits actually hit the floor.  The Illini have a top 20 recruiting class currently enrolled as freshmen, and a top 5 or 10 class, depending on the source, for 2010.  Oh, and not to mention, two top 75 recruits already in the fold for 2011 (even though those rankings will be pretty fluid for some time).  If you can find a Missouri Valley team with a top 20 recruiting class, let alone a top 5 class ever I'd be shocked.  And, isn't it oxymoronic to want a "mediocre" coach, who coaches a team you don't like, to leave as opposed to allowing him to continue keeping that team in mediocrity?  Just sayin'.


bluegray213
Since: Dec 21, 2007
Posted on: December 16, 2009 4:14 pm
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Since: Sep 1, 2006
Posted on: December 16, 2009 2:06 pm
 

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So the AP poll, the coaches poll, and every RPI web site I've looked at must ALSO be biased, right? Because none of them say Illinois is a top 25 team.

And I'm not giving you a hard time cuz you're a conference rival, either. Illinois will do some damage in the Big10 this year. I'm just suggesting that you do some introspection before you go calling somebody else 'biased'.



Since: Nov 28, 2007
Posted on: December 16, 2009 9:34 am
 

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What you need to know is it is time to start giving the Illini some credit.

Oh wait, you're biased.


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