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This is how it's forever going to be, UK fans

Posted on: December 18, 2009 6:22 am
Edited on: December 18, 2009 10:19 am
 

Bob Knight spoke at a fundraiser Thursday night.

Predictably, he managed to make national headlines.

"We've gotten into this situation where integrity is really lacking and that's why I'm glad I'm not coaching," Knight said. "You see we've got a coach at Kentucky who put two schools on probation and he's still coaching. I really don't understand that."

This is the place where Kentucky fans would like me to tell you that John Calipari has never been directly implicated in anything, and the place where fans of every other school, particularly Memphis fans, would like me to tell you that Knight speaks the truth, and God bless him. But I'm not interested in sparking that debate because the Calipari debate has been going on for months, if not years, and it never reaches a conclusion.

If he coaches your school, you love him.

If not, you think he's a lying cheater.

There's almost no in-between.

And this is how it's going to be forever, UK fans, and why it was clear -- even before Knight said what he said -- that any success Calipari has going forward will be tainted regardless of whether it's really tainted. Until the day he retires, the majority of observers will believe, fair or not, that every recruit Calipari gets is a product of his relationship with William Wesley even if Worldwide Wes has never met the recruit. All SATs will be assumed fake even if they're legit, all future pros will supposedly have agents even if they do not.

There's no sense in fighting that perception.

There's certainly no way of changing that perception.

On Thursday night, it was Bob Knight taking a shot at Calipari.

In March during the NCAA tournament, it'll be every columnist in America.

That's what the $30 million Kentucky spent on Calipari has brought the school -- a coach who will lure lots of great recruits, win countless big games, and hang banners while people ask whether Kentucky really expects those banners to remain after an inevitable NCAA investigation. Then Kentucky fans will yell about how Calipari wasn't tied to anything. Then everybody will roll their eyes and laugh. And around and around we go.
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Since: Sep 1, 2006
Posted on: December 24, 2009 1:05 am
 

This is how it's forever going to be, UK fans

I hate that Coach Cal has a certain negative stigma surrounding him.  There is always the quote "where there is smoke there is fire".  I understand this completely and am keeping my fingers crossed that no smoke surrounds the UK program.  But let's think about what acutally happened:  Marcus Camby accepted benefits while at UMASS.  Sure, a coach is responsible for their team and the compliance department at the school should educate the players about what is acceptable and what is not.  But how can a coach be expected to be at fault for not hovering over their players day and night to make sure they are following the rules?  They can only do so much and if a player wanted to take benefits, it would be close to impossible for a coach to prevent it.  It is a sad affair in college sports today with as many agents and promoters trying to get in with the next big thing.  As far as Memphis is concerned, how can a coach be responsible for playing a player at his caliber when the he was cleared to play by the NCAA?  No coach would think twice.  The claim that he fled the programs while knowing they are going to be in trouble could be true, but let's think about where he was going.  From UMASS, he went to the NBA.  How many coaches dream of coaching in the NBA?  I'd say there are a few.  He left Memphis for UK.  He has said that it has been his dream job to coach at UK for a while.  I'm a realist, and know that he could be saying it to please his new UK fans, but I also think that he is someone who craves the attention and the publicity that surrounds the program.  No offense to Memphis fans, because they have shown lots of love for basketball over the years and have a great tradition.  I just think someone like him (and Pitino) love the limelight and let's face it, UK fans love to talk basketball.



Since: Dec 13, 2009
Posted on: December 22, 2009 9:05 am
 

This is how it's forever going to be, UK fans

As an ardent and life-long UK fan, I find myself regrettably in agreement with this assessment. One of the cornerstone tenants of American jurisprudence is "innocent until proven guilty". In the Court of Public Opinion, however, it seems more often than not to be "guilty until proven innocent". The fact is, like it or not, John Calipari has NEVER been implicated by the NCAA of wrong-doing in the Massachusetts or Memphis cases (I understand the Memphis case is under appeal and may have a good chance of being overturned.). This becomes even more significant if you believe, as I do, that the NCAA would love to "burn" Calipari if they had anything at all with which to do so.

Human nature being what it is, many people will not allow facts to get in the way of a juicy opinion, whether pro or con. If it were Roy Williams, Coach K, Bill Self, Tom Izzo, Rick Pitino, etc., at the center of this discussion I am certain there would be many UK fans finger-pointing while their fans were being equally defensive. It all comes down to whose ox is being gored.

As far as Bobby Knight is concerned, I have always been and will remain a fan of Bobby Knight, The Coach. I am not a particular fan, however, of Bobby Knight, The Mouth. There surely must not be a mirror anywhere in his home. The word "hypocrisy" comes to mind rather quickly. Look long and hard at his quote. "We've gotten into this situation where integrity is really lacking and that's why I'm glad I'm not coaching". It would be very easy to read that another way. Almost like a confession.

Anyway, for most long-time UK fans it really has nothing more to do with Bobby than competitive bitterness. His problem may not be so much with Calipari as it is with Kentucky. On March 22, 1975, Bobby's then-undefeated Indiana team was upset 92-90 by UK in the Mid-East Regional Final of the NCAA Tournament. Many believe he has never gotten over that. It's been 34 years, Bobby. Time to move on.





Since: Dec 30, 2007
Posted on: December 20, 2009 2:32 am
 

This is how it's forever going to be, UK fans

Memphis didn't have Wall,

Get your facts straight.

Kentucky was on Wall's list before calipari came.
Memphis was on his list also...as was Duke and a few other schools. Wall himself said numerous times, including the Monday before Cal's departure to UK that Memphis was the leader among the schools that were recruiting him. You can try to fool yourself all you want but those are the facts....and they are straight.



Since: Apr 9, 2008
Posted on: December 19, 2009 10:58 pm
 

This is how it's forever going to be, UK fans

Proof of wrongdoing?  Knight simply stated, "You see we've got a coach at Kentucky who put two schools on probation and he's still coaching".  That statement is true.  What does Knight need to prove, that you can't read?

ACTUALLY, that statement is not true.... Which of those schools were put on probation??? Neither, they had wins vacated but were not put on probation.  And anyone can see that the NCAA will go after anyone it can so if they possibly had anything on Calipari doing anything wrong they would not hesitate to burn him.



Since: Jan 15, 2007
Posted on: December 19, 2009 4:51 pm
 

This is how it's forever going to be, UK fans

And you also believed that Lawrence Phillips would stop beating women and Terrell Owens would turn into a team first kind of guy, I'm sure.  Hiring Cal proved that KY shares your sentiments.  What a shame for such a respected program.  Now they'll just be UNLV II.




Since: Jan 15, 2007
Posted on: December 19, 2009 4:44 pm
 

This is how it's forever going to be, UK fans

Proof of wrongdoing?  Knight simply stated, "You see we've got a coach at Kentucky who put two schools on probation and he's still coaching".  That statement is true.  What does Knight need to prove, that you can't read?



Since: Jun 1, 2009
Posted on: December 19, 2009 3:36 pm
 

This is how it's forever going to be, UK fans

This is how it's forever going to be, UK fans

There's just one thing about it all, when the heat comes at Cal (the NCAA) he just leaves, doesn't really care what kind of shape he leaves the institution in, UMass really alot better off? Memphis? Memphis just hired a great young coach that did his own recruiting, Cal is not responsible for his class coming in, if violate the rules and the heat comes, man up to it.


***As an UK fan I love it that you feel it necessary to moan about Cal being at UK.
You can try and disguise it all you wish but the bottom line is that this combination ensure UK's return to the top.

People like you make me sick to my stomach. You want to be presumed innocent unless proven guilty,
but you deny this same process to others.

It is a simple matter to accuse a man. Even a retard can do this.
But, present the proof. Isn't this such a simple and vital request.
Isn't it what you would require for yourself or for someone you love?



Since: Apr 29, 2009
Posted on: December 19, 2009 3:10 pm
 

This is how it's forever going to be, UK fans

As a Memphis fan, for years I thought that "winning was all that mattered".  I didn't drink the kool-aide, I bathed in it.  Absorbed it into my pours.  It pumped through my veins.

Now, I see how damned wrong I was.  You guys have been down and you're desperate.  I get it.  You'll get led by the pied piper and when the ride stops he'll turn on you to.

I only hope you guys find a coach Pastner to show you the way.  Someone to show you that winning with smile, and being courteous is possible.  Winning at all costs is really costly UK.  Good luck.




Since: Dec 19, 2009
Posted on: December 19, 2009 12:49 pm
 

This is how it's forever going to be, UK fans

I personally dont care what he did at UMass or Memphis. Two schools that have no where near the impact on college basketball as UK has had. I only care what he does at UK. He will recruit and win. Period. End of story.



Since: Apr 3, 2007
Posted on: December 19, 2009 11:57 am
 

This is how it's forever going to be, UK fans

....better add Louisville to that list as well, D-bag. UK's going to thump the cards on a regular basis. Jan 2nd should be a bloodbath.


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