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The Poll Attacks

Posted on: February 8, 2010 9:07 pm
Edited on: February 8, 2010 9:37 pm
 

AUSTIN, Texas -- We're about to tip here at the Erwin Center.

It's Kansas vs. Texas.

So consider this your pregame Poll Attacks .

AP poll: All I do each Monday is look at the AP poll, find a team getting votes that shouldn't be getting votes, identify the guilty party, write about it, and that's pretty much how the Poll Attacks work.

Simple stuff.

It's not my fault if the guilty party repeats itself week after week after week.

I tell you that because here we are again, back focusing on the Idaho Statesman's Nick Jezierny, a future first-ballot Poll Attacks Hall of Famer. Not only does he have Northern Iowa ranked 12th, which is ridiculous on about 58 different levels, but he also has Wichita State ranked 21st, which is ridiculous on about 158 different levels.

(Let me say this: I don't mind people ranking UNI even though I'm not ranking UNI. No. 12 seems awful high, sure. But whatever. If you're impressed by a team running away with its league and stacking wins even though it lacks quality wins, fine. By now you know I care about quality wins way more than I care about the number of wins, but I recognize not everybody thinks the way I think. So, again, if you want to rank Northern Iowa, rank away. It's a perfectly reasonable thing to do. But Wichita State?)

You can't rank Wichita State.

And this is coming from a guy who likes Gregg Marshall. But the record is the record, and the record is 20-5 with the best win being a home win over a Texas Tech team that's ninth in the Big 12. Meantime, two of the losses are to Creighton (12-12) and Drake (11-14). So how Nick can look at Wichita State and see a team that should be ranked 21st is beyond me. But I gave up trying to make sense of this stuff long ago. Now I just poke fun at it.

Coaches poll: It's OK to not rank a C-USA school; I don't have one ranked either. But if you're going to put a C-USA school on your ballot, shouldn't it be the school that's leading C-USA? Of course it should! But somehow the coaches gave UAB seven points, Tulsa four and first-place UTEP zero despite the fact that UTEP won at UAB two weekends ago and beat Tulsa by 14 points last weekend.

(Couldn't Tulsa's Doug Wojcik at least put the Miners at No. 25?)

UTEP is 17-5 overall with an 8-1 league record, and yet the coaches have the Miners as C-USA's third-best team. It's crazy. And if I live to be 167 I still won't know how Tulsa is getting votes. Sure, the 18-5 record looks nice. But the best win is against Oklahoma State, and three of the losses are to Missouri State, Nebraska and Nevada.

Thus, Tulsa shouldn't appear on anybody's ballot.

And they sure as heck shouldn't appear on a ballot that doesn't also include UTEP.
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Since: Feb 1, 2010
Posted on: February 10, 2010 3:52 am
 

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I dont think anyone expects UAB to win in El Paso.

But, they WOULD have won in regulation or OT if AJ hadnt gone down.

Hey, I hope CUSA gets 3 teams in.

Its going to be hard to leave UTEP out if they beat UAB twice and UAB gets in.

And unless UTEP wins the tournament, they might not get in despite having a good team.




Since: Aug 27, 2006
Posted on: February 9, 2010 10:05 pm
 

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, I respect you guys as football fans, but you don't know what you're talking about where basketball is concerned. VT is 5 - 3, not 4 - 5, in the ACC. I'm pretty sure you haven't seen Malcolm Delaney play this year, so I'm not sure how you can come up with an opinion about him. And yes, there are no break away super teams in the ACC this year, I'm quite sure that there are 7 or 8 very good teams. I'm sure it will all work itself out in the end....



Since: Oct 13, 2007
Posted on: February 9, 2010 8:04 pm
 

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"Coaches poll: It's OK to not rank a C-USA school; I don't have one ranked either. But if you're going to put a C-USA school on your ballot, shouldn't it be the school that's leading C-USA? Of course it should! But somehow the coaches gave UAB seven points, Tulsa four and first-place UTEP zero despite the fact that UTEP won at UAB two weekends ago and beat Tulsa by 14 points last weekend.

(Couldn't Tulsa's Doug Wojcik at least put the Miners at No. 25?)

UTEP is 17-5 overall with an 8-1 league record, and yet the coaches have the Miners as C-USA's third-best team. It's crazy. And if I live to be 167 I still won't know how Tulsa is getting votes. Sure, the 18-5 record looks nice. But the best win is against Oklahoma State, and three of the losses are to Missouri State, Nebraska and Nevada.

Thus, Tulsa shouldn't appear on anybody's ballot.

And they sure as heck shouldn't appear on a ballot that doesn't also include UTEP."



Are you trying to insinuate that you are more knowledgeable about where schools should be ranked then the coaches?  There's a reason you became a sportswriter instead of a coach...and it isn't because the money's better.  I have always wondered why the Associated Press Rankings hold more weight than the Coaches Polls, when the coaches are the ones that are getting paid millions for knowing their opponents strengths and weaknesses.




Since: Nov 16, 2008
Posted on: February 9, 2010 6:17 pm
 

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Gary...thought it was time to give you another update regarding Ed Graney(Las Vegas review -journal).  I know that most of the time you like to poll attack writers voting for teams that have no business being in the top 25.  I also think you should keep an eye out for pollsters who completely drop the ball involving highly ranked teams.  Which brings me to my point...I'll shorten Graney's ballot to top 10 for time's sake.
1.  Kansas
2.  Syracuse
3.  Kentucky
4.  West Virginia
5.  Kansas State
6.  Purdue
7.  Georgetown
8.  Villanova
9.  Duke
10.  Gonzaga

My problem with this is fairly obvious...Nova at 8?  With Gonzaga at 10?  Make sense of that!  Impossible.  Just because Nova went into G-town and lost doesn't merit a drop all the way to 8.  G-town is a top 10 team and the game was IN G-town.  After last night, this bozo looks even more ridiculous, in that Nova just easily handled his number four West Virginia on the road.  So what Graney is saying...Nova is 21-2, 3rd best RPI, and 21 sos.  That resume makes them a shade better than his #10 Gonzaga.  The Zags are 18-4, 24th RPI, and have the 64th ranked SOS.  This makes no sense at all.  Even if you were looking at recent losses...Nova loses against a top ten G-town team on the road, and the Zags lose on the road to the 204th ranked RPI San Francisco.  Not even comparable in my eyes.  There is no way to justify having these two teams ranked like this.




Since: Nov 25, 2007
Posted on: February 9, 2010 5:21 pm
 

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"By now you know I care about quality wins way more than I care about the number of wins..."  GaryI don't think that is true, Gary.  If that is true then how can you claim that Michigan State and Ohio State are better than Wisconsin?  Michigan State has two quality wins --Gonzaga, and...Wisconsin.  Wisconsin has Maryland (neutral site), Purdue, Michigan State, and Duke.  They are also the only team in the Big Ten with a top-ten RPI (9th).  I know I'm beating a dead horse here, but it seems to me as if perceptions are starting to play a role in the selection process, instead of flat-out achievement.  Michigan State always gets to the final four, while Wisconsin is always stuck in the same bracket as the eventual national champion.



Since: Mar 19, 2008
Posted on: February 9, 2010 1:55 pm
 

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You make it sound like UAB played most of the game without their point guard. He left the game with 2:41 left in regulation. Utep led most of the game, even with Aaron Johnson in the game. So you cant say that the Blazers would still be perfect at home, if the injury wouldnt of happen. UTEP is also perfect at home in conference play.

I hope AJ brings his A game to El Paso on March 6, so when UTEP beats them AGAIN, their wont be any excuses.....




Since: Dec 10, 2008
Posted on: February 9, 2010 1:36 pm
 

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GP, an 18 - 4 record is impressive, isn't it? Why isn't Va Tech getting more love? I'm sure, if you answer my question, you'll proceed to try to beat the Hokies down, but how UNimpressive is FOUR losses? None of them were bad losses to schools that have awful records, although I'm pretty sure we should have beaten Miami down in Miami. I'm so sick of this whole RPI, SOS, ABC alphabet soup rating system that people keep hanging their hats on. Georgia beats Tennessee and it's not a horrible loss for the Vols, but we GO TO GEORGIA and pretty much hand their lunch to them, and it's an unimpressive win. We beat Seton Hall on a nuetral floor WITHOUT the best player in the ACC (Yep, I said it, Malcolm Delaney is the best player in the ACC), and yet it's not impressive. Oh yeah, and there was that Clemson win on Saturday (by 11) less than 48 hours after beating a (bad?) UNC team.  What a bunch of nonsense this is.

its very simple no one is gonna get on the vatech bandwagon bc they havent had a marquee win to brag about. seton hall is middle the pack in the bigeast, uga haha sorry were not talking about football are we?? and 2 out of the 4 losses are to bottom feeders of the acc in unc and miami and uva is in the middle of the acc. both the canes and heels are not gonna make the tournament unless they win the acc tourn. vatech is stil 4-5 in the acc that is having a down year with duke not breaking away and having a pack filled with teams like gtech,maryland,uva,clemson, and fsu.

respect is not given its earned and vatech has a nice record but this time of the year nice records get broken down to quality wins and losses. even unc beat a top 5 team in michgan st and beat ohio state who will prolly come second in the big10 so all this "WE NEED LOVE" talk isnt going to cut it. as for delaney hes a hell of a player but best in the acc not so much, everyone in the acc has been torching miami and unc and vatech split unc and that way only a 4pt victory. vatech fans should worry about finishing strong liek top3 in the acc and possbily winning the acc tournament.... then the respect and bandwagon fans are gonna come.



Since: Oct 3, 2009
Posted on: February 9, 2010 12:01 pm
 

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I am a Columbia,S.C. native and this ACC/SEC Country, but to see Duke ranked ahed od GTown in any pole is a joke! They beat Duke real good and followed it up with a resounding victory over then ranked #2 Nova squad. So I know they lost to USF,but how can you rank Duke ahed of Gtown. Plus USF will prob make the big dance and the Big East is the best conference in the land period!!!!!!!!!!!!



Since: Dec 14, 2009
Posted on: February 9, 2010 11:57 am
 

Talk about discrepencies

The coaches poll moves Cornell up three places to 22nd, after they win games against teams RPI ranked by CBS Sports at numbers 285 and 293. Meanwhile the Big Red can't crack the top 25 in the AP Poll. I personally think Cornell is legit- but it's obvious that people voting in these polls have their own agendas as much as they want to rank the best teams in the country. It's fun to see GP name and shame, but it's a bit of a King Canute endeavour- trying to order the tide not to come in.



Since: Feb 15, 2007
Posted on: February 9, 2010 10:42 am
 

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I'll note Parrish doesn't want to touch the subject, since the issue is black-and-white if you catch my drift.


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