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Dear Gary (on Kansas-Syracuse)

Posted on: March 1, 2010 10:27 am
 

Here's Monday's Dear Gary ...

Dear Gary: Did you forget that (Kansas and Syracuse) played last year in Kansas City? Who won that one? ... And Kansas hasn't played a top 10 team yet, so how impressive is that body of work you love so much? Or do you just cling to All-Americans and ride them to their death like in 2003. How'd those Kansas All-Americans fare against the unproven kids from Syracuse?

-- Adam


I guess the first thing I should do is point out that the Jayhawks have a road win over Kansas State, which will be ranked in the top five of the AP poll this afternoon. That makes one of Adam's points moot. And Adam, if you're reading, please write back and explain what a game played last year in Kansas City -- or a game played in 2003 -- has to do with anything related to this week's rankings. Because best I can tell, last season's Syracuse-Kansas game carries about as much weight as last season's North Carolina-Villanova game, i.e., no weight at all.

Anyway, let's be serious for a moment.

There is nothing wrong with voting Syracuse No. 1.

A reasonable case can be made for the Orange.

I know that.

But it's also reasonable to suggest that KU's body of work is slightly better than Syracuse's body of work, and that's what I've suggested. If you want to argue against me, there are some good places for you to start. But pretending Kansas hasn't beaten a top 10 team is silly, and referencing games from past seasons makes no sense it all. If I'm a Syracuse fan, I'm talking about a two-game lead in the Big East, about dominant wins over Georgetown and Villanova, about Wesley Johnson and an offense and defense that overwhelms opponents.

What I'm not talking about is last year.

Or 2003.

But Adam is a dummy.

So he doesn't know any better.
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Comments

Since: Dec 28, 2009
Posted on: March 2, 2010 7:32 pm
 

Dear Gary (on Kansas-Syracuse)

and you conveniently avoid noting that 3 early SU wins were over teams ranked #6, #12 and #13 at the time  for which they must be given credit.
You have to look at where the team is ranked when they played...Kansas has not beaten a team in the top 10 the day they played...Syracuse has beaten several top 10 teams this year...N.C. was a top ten team when they played syracuse That may just be the dumbest argument I've ever read regarding rankings of teams.

Especially when we're talking about early-season rankings, which are based mostly on preseason hype along with a couple of tomato cans and, if you're lucky, one or two marquee opponents, using ranking at the time of the game is insane. North Carolina is not a top ten team, and Syracuse's victory over them absolutely should not give them credit for a win over a top ten team even though they were ranked highly at the time. Early in the season, we thought UNC (and Cal, and Florida) would be good. Now we know better, and pretending that their dismal-to-mediocre performances since should affect our perception of the value of an earlier win or loss against them is totally indefensible. Those are not three top-15 wins, they are two wins over bubble teams and one over an NIT bubble team. If there are extenuating circumstances, such as a team's ranking taking a nose dive because of a key injury or shooting way up because an injured or ineligible player becomes available, then looking at ranking at the time makes a little more sense. But UNC's flameout started well before any injury problems.

What your argument tells me is not that Syracuse has played a significantly tougher schedule. It tells me (along with current stats) that Syracuse has played a bunch of teams which were horribly overrated at game time and Kansas has played a few good ones who were underrated at game time.



Since: Dec 15, 2009
Posted on: March 2, 2010 4:34 pm
 

Dear Gary (on Kansas-Syracuse)

You have to look at where the team is ranked when they played...Kansas has not beaten a team in the top 10 the day they played...Syracuse has beaten several top 10 teams this year...N.C. was a top ten team when they played syracuse...that was his point...



Since: Sep 19, 2006
Posted on: March 1, 2010 10:15 pm
 

Dear Gary (on Kansas-Syracuse)

Ok WTF is wrong with all of you Syracuse fans? You guys try all get on Gary for saying that Kansas has actually has a legit claim to the number 1 ranking. Gary makes a very strong argument for why he still ranks Kansas #1 while acknowledging that either Syracuse and Kansas are both good choices, and you guys STILL wont shut up.

For some reason you guys still try and play the "nobody gives us any respect card" even though ESPN shoves the "Big East is the greatest conference in the country" junk down our throat almost every game. You guys need to take some prozac, realize that these rankings dont mean anything and enjoy being number 1 (not that it matters). I understand that most of you guys are blind homers towards the orange, but impartial fans realize that Kansas also has a very strong case to be the #1 team and that it isnt nearly as obvious as you guys think it is.



Since: Jan 9, 2009
Posted on: March 1, 2010 9:24 pm
 

Dear Gary (on Kansas-Syracuse)

if you want to get snarky about it, SU beat Georgetown twice giving it 4 W's over top also.  and wins over #'s 9, 10 and twice over #19 translate to better wins than over #5 and 3 more in the 20+ range.   
the losses are only marginally different...tennessee is ranked 16, pitt 17 - a wash.  and without enough votes to get either into the top 25,  okstate gets 24 votes to louisville's 4 -- big whoop. 
and you conveniently avoid noting that 3 early SU wins were over teams ranked #6, #12 and #13 at the time for which they must be given credit.  although I might concede that while now the UNC victory looks hollow, Cal (atop the PAC 10) AND Florida continue to have a fine seasons at 20-9 overall.    
anyhow, the debate rages on.  your point re: home v road losses is well taken.  and i'm not stupid enough to argue much harder that kansas shouldn't be #1.   i'm another 'cuse fan and i'm just feeling the love!



Since: Mar 9, 2008
Posted on: March 1, 2010 4:28 pm
 

Fuel for the Fire

Posted on: March 1, 2010 1:47 pmScore: 158 

Captain Faux-Hawk,

Since I work for a living i don't have time to go through your justification and response line by line.  You are factually and contextually incorrect.  Your writing is equally as inept and ham handed.  I suggest you learn to research before you write or find a new hobby.  Judging by your headshot, maybe season 2 of Jersey Shore needs a couple more of you for us to laugh at.

Spray on tan - check
Artificially whitened teeth - check
Outdated Faux-hawk - check
Equally superficial thoughts, opinions and attempts to justify same - Check

Publicly displaying your own ignorance - PRICELESS

For actual news, opinions and analysis go to a professional writer/journalist.  For everything else there's Gary.




So Hextall you still failed to prove Gary wrong. 

You said he was factually and contextually wrong, when he gave pretty solid numbers as to why Kansas should be number 1 over Syracuse.

Pretty much the only thing you did was personally criticize the Gary for the way he looks and tried to prove him wrong through your 'opinion with no statistics to back up your points.

So i will give you so me more numbers as to why Kansas should be ranked number 1 over Syracuse other than the two teams RPI ranking.

Since Syracuse fans' greatest argument is undefeated on the road and their ROAD losses are better than Kansas, let's look at the quality wins each team has won on the ROAD.

Syracuse has won exactly 2 road games over teams in the Top 25 RPI.

Kansas has won exactly 4 ROAD games over teams in the Top 25 RPI.

Syracuse fans can cry foul, but Kansas has the better resume so far.

The fact is the Big 12 is just as good as the Big East this 09-10 basketball season and that has been in Kansas favor.




Since: Mar 25, 2009
Posted on: March 1, 2010 4:17 pm
 

Dear Gary (on Kansas-Syracuse)

You dont deserve to poll attack this week.  Go Orange.



Since: Mar 18, 2009
Posted on: March 1, 2010 4:14 pm
 

Dear Gary (on Kansas-Syracuse)

Damn, I can't believe Syracuse people get so worked up over a silly poll. It means nothing, stop sweating it.




Since: Dec 12, 2009
Posted on: March 1, 2010 3:14 pm
 

Dear Gary (on Kansas-Syracuse)

Anyway, let's be serious for a moment.

There is nothing wrong with voting Syracuse No. 1.

A reasonable case can be made for the Orange.

I know that.     
      
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AAHHHH- you should have mentioned that in your article right after Kansas and Kentucky loss and before Orange destroyed Villanova.

You sounded so sure of yourself. 59 first place votes for Syracuse- only 6 for Kansas- doesnt seem too close to me.

Poor form Gary- very poor.




Since: Jan 19, 2008
Posted on: March 1, 2010 2:39 pm
 

Dear Gary (on Kansas-Syracuse)

Way to force these angry New Yorkers to read your column and agree with your opinion.... oh wait.



Since: Dec 26, 2006
Posted on: March 1, 2010 2:26 pm
 

Dear Gary (on Kansas-Syracuse)

A reasonable case can be made for the Orange. If you'd said that in your post, perhaps people wouldn't be dogging you today.  But what you said was Kansas "absolutely", as if no arguement was valid.  You shrugged SU off like they weren't worthy of the top spot... fortunatley, 80% of the other voters didn't agree with you!  Interesting though how I had no problem finding your article prior to the polls actually releasing, but I had to really go hunting for it to respond afterwards.


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