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The Poll Attacks

Posted on: March 1, 2010 4:37 pm
Edited on: March 1, 2010 9:47 pm

First things first: I knew Syracuse would be No. 1 in the AP and Coaches polls.

And guess what?

It's not stupid to have Syracuse No. 1.

It's a perfectly reasonable thing to do. I don't agree. But it's not irrational even though Kansas has just as many wins over fellow Top 25 teams and a better RPI, even though KU's two losses came on the road while Syracuse's came at home, even though Jerry Palm still has KU as the No. 1 overall seed. I could use most of that information -- and perhaps all of that information -- to try to convince you that it's stupid to rank Syracuse No. 1. But I'm not going to do that because that's never been the point. I don't think you're stupid if you think Syracuse should be No. 1; I think you're stupid if you think a good case can't also be made for Kansas.

But I'm over it.

I'm more worried about the coach voting Duke No. 1.

That guy is an idiot.

He's about to get Poll Attacked!

AP poll: If Syracuse fans think I'm stupid for having the Orange at No. 2, then I bet they think Tom Keegan is brain-dead. Keegan has the Orange third on his ballot behind Kansas and Kentucky. And did I mention Tom works for the newspaper in Lawrence, Kansas? Yep, the sports editor in Kansas ranked KU No. 1 and Syracuse No. 3. So please click this link and direct your hatred toward him, and forget about me. Thanks.

Coaches poll: It's OK to have Duke in the top four, projected as a No. 1 seed, whatever. All reasonable. But there is no way to reasonably put Duke ahead of both Kansas and Syracuse on a ballot like one coach did this week. Duke has a 25-4 record featuring a loss to North Carolina State. Meantime, Syracuse has a 27-2 record featuring no losses to non-NCAA tournament teams, and Kansas has a 27-2 record featuring no losses to non-NCAA tournament teams. So Syracuse and Kansas both have more wins than Duke, fewer losses than Duke, better wins than Duke, fewer questionable losses than Duke, and I could go on for days.

So who's the guilty coach?

No way of knowing.

Coaches ballots are private.

I can't see them.

But my guess is that the guy who voted Duke No. 1 is the same guy who voted Murray State No. 25 after a loss to Morehead State. Murray State is a great OVC team, but that doesn't translate to a Top 25 team, not when the Racers have four losses to unranked teams and just one win over a team ranked in the top 100 of the RPI.

Since: Nov 24, 2009
Posted on: March 1, 2010 11:02 pm


13 of the 16 Big East teams have an RPI of 80 or less.  The only reason the Big 12 has a higher RPI than the Big East is they don't have a DePaul in their conference.

The Big East has 5 locks for the NCAA tournament and 6 others that are on, or close to the bubble, meaning there are almost as many tournament-level teams in the Big East as there are teams in the Big 12.

Since: Nov 24, 2009
Posted on: March 1, 2010 10:54 pm

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BTW, Syracuse is undefeated on the road.  Which is more impressive?  Winning all your home games or winning all your road games?  Last time I checked, 0 tournament games will be played at Phog Allen.

Since: Nov 24, 2009
Posted on: March 1, 2010 10:52 pm

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No shame in losses to Pitt (Top 20 team) or UL.  We had a chance to tie or take the lead vs. UL with 30 seconds left, be we didn't get a call we felt was a foul that could have tied the game up. 

At least we didn't almost lose to Cornell (we blew out Cornel) or Memphis (blew them out too).  KU lost to an undermanned Tennessee team without it's best player.  Not sure that's not a bad loss.

Since: Dec 29, 2009
Posted on: March 1, 2010 10:51 pm

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The "RPI in the top 26" argument is hilarious. I wonder where OSU ranks in the RPI? Shockingly, the answer is No. 26.

By the way, having an RPI of 26 isn't exactly a strong argument for being ranked in the Top 25 ...

Since: Mar 3, 2007
Posted on: March 1, 2010 10:48 pm

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Gary, another no brainer curts you down.
He apparently doesn't think to losses at home matter.
Give people for being fans, but slamming people that know the facts is unexcuseable!!

Since: Mar 3, 2007
Posted on: March 1, 2010 10:41 pm

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Whats a joke is: Syracuse has both losses at home, KU & UK both road losses.
Now your becoming a joke and are a loyal fan without the facts. Ohio State ahead of
Purdue & Villanova & W Virgina isd also a joke. Lossing to Pitt by 10 & Louisville by 6 @ home
is sure deserving of a #1 in nobodys book. Nice try!!

Since: Nov 24, 2009
Posted on: March 1, 2010 10:38 pm

losing to Tulsa by 21

and to Rhode Island will do that.

OSU is 8-6 in their conference, and has 8 losses.  That's not worthy of a Top 25 ranking.

Since: Nov 24, 2009
Posted on: March 1, 2010 10:34 pm

OK, fine

SU is currently ranked #1.  That's very much the present.  And we beat Kansas last year in KC, which is more recent than your title.

Since: Nov 24, 2009
Posted on: March 1, 2010 10:32 pm

How good is the Big East?

Cincinnati, the 10th place team in the Big East, has wins over the 2nd best ACC and SEC teams.  Our 12th place team nealry beat #3 UK and housed Texas, one of the best teams in the Big 12. Our 7th place team dominated Duke, the ACC's best team, and our 14th place team nearlry beat Duke in Cameron.

Since: Sep 14, 2008
Posted on: March 1, 2010 10:21 pm

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Obviously I am a homer but as long as we are attacking the polls how is Oklahoma State still not ranked? There are at least two other twenty win teams in both the AP and Coaches polls and at least one 19 win team (Georgetown). We have beaten two teams ranked in the top five in both polls and two more in the top 25. We have multiple "signature" wins, play in arguably the toughest league in the NCAA and an RPI in the top 26. Doesn't seem like we are getting much respect....

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